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I really don't think it should be called the "ORC license"
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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8916081" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>PSA: If you make a snarky reply to someone, and then block them…they aren’t gonna see your snark. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😂" title="Face with tears of joy :joy:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f602.png" data-shortname=":joy:" /></p><p></p><p>Anyway red and yellow orcs aren’t my “take”, there was a whole thread about it here. </p><p></p><p>The conversation about racism in D&D has centered in large part on the Orc for decades, exactly because orcs were used as stand ins for real ethno-cultural groups in D&D media, in the writings of Gygax, and on internet message boards. </p><p></p><p>The conversation has not, in recent years, been about orcs being the problem, however. Rather the problem has been that orcs are presented as biologically evil while also being an intelligent tool using species of <em>person</em>, and not a cosmic elementally evil creature, and then it was made worse with very colonialist language often used by oppressors to talk about races they consider inferior and in need of white “guidance”, in Volo’s. (A tradition dating back to Gygax, with pit stops in really egregiously racist stuff in D&D media)</p><p></p><p>B. Dave Walters tweeted, when the orc conversation hit its crescendo, that “depicting an entire race as naturally evil is racist.” The sentiment is not that orcs are bad, but rather that orcs are being misused and should instead be depicted as <em>people.</em> Just like other races. </p><p></p><p>Because of this, depicting orcs as the hero is a pretty unalloyed good. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I’m never gonna be okay with demonic Gnolls with no free will, though. That’s a garbage retcon with no value. </p><p></p><p>You have flinds, they can fill that niche. Let the Gnoll stand as a people that have to decide between joining their demonic “kin”, avoiding them, or fighting them. That’s interesting. That adds to the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8916081, member: 6704184"] PSA: If you make a snarky reply to someone, and then block them…they aren’t gonna see your snark. 😂 Anyway red and yellow orcs aren’t my “take”, there was a whole thread about it here. The conversation about racism in D&D has centered in large part on the Orc for decades, exactly because orcs were used as stand ins for real ethno-cultural groups in D&D media, in the writings of Gygax, and on internet message boards. The conversation has not, in recent years, been about orcs being the problem, however. Rather the problem has been that orcs are presented as biologically evil while also being an intelligent tool using species of [I]person[/I], and not a cosmic elementally evil creature, and then it was made worse with very colonialist language often used by oppressors to talk about races they consider inferior and in need of white “guidance”, in Volo’s. (A tradition dating back to Gygax, with pit stops in really egregiously racist stuff in D&D media) B. Dave Walters tweeted, when the orc conversation hit its crescendo, that “depicting an entire race as naturally evil is racist.” The sentiment is not that orcs are bad, but rather that orcs are being misused and should instead be depicted as [I]people.[/I] Just like other races. Because of this, depicting orcs as the hero is a pretty unalloyed good. I’m never gonna be okay with demonic Gnolls with no free will, though. That’s a garbage retcon with no value. You have flinds, they can fill that niche. Let the Gnoll stand as a people that have to decide between joining their demonic “kin”, avoiding them, or fighting them. That’s interesting. That adds to the game. [/QUOTE]
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