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<blockquote data-quote="epithet" data-source="post: 7510026" data-attributes="member: 6796566"><p>Taking the attack action, or the dodge action, or the dash action... those aren't processes with beginnings and ends, man. Those are things which have immediate effects, and then they're done.</p><p></p><p>If you take the dash action, you get extra movement. Boom. You have the movement, use it or lose it. You can't move 10 feet and think you're "in the process of taking the dash action," because you've taken the dash action regardless of whether you've used your movement. Similarly, when you take the attack action you get to make one or more attacks. Use them or lose them, you get the attacks. Before you roll the d20 for your first attack, you must have already taken the attack action, just like if you've used all your regular movement you must take the dash action before moving another 5 feet.</p><p></p><p>To see a different, contrasting relationship between an action and an attack, regard the zombie's bash. The bash is an action, and it is an attack. The zombie does not take the attack action, and there is no distinction between the bash action and the bash melee weapon attack. The PC, on the other hand, takes the attack action, and only then can make a weapon attack.</p><p></p><p>Another contrasting example is the "cast a spell" action. When you take the action, you cast a spell. If you don't cast the spell, you haven't taken the action. The attack action is different, in that even if you don't make an attack, you can still have taken the attack action. The attack action simply gives the character the ability to make one or more weapon attacks.</p><p></p><p>This isn't 4e, where your weapon attack had a time measure associated with it. A weapon attack in 5e can be made as part of an action, a bonus action, or a reaction, because that action, bonus action, or reaction grants the character an attack. To be super specific and pedantic, the attack action grants a character an attack, the Extra Attack feature grants one or more additional attacks, and the Shield Master feat grants another attack, which can only be used to make a shove against a creature within 5 feet. All of these are granted at the moment the character takes the attack action, which is not a process but (like most things in 5e that aren't rituals or things that require concentration) simply a declaration that has an immediate effect.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="epithet, post: 7510026, member: 6796566"] Taking the attack action, or the dodge action, or the dash action... those aren't processes with beginnings and ends, man. Those are things which have immediate effects, and then they're done. If you take the dash action, you get extra movement. Boom. You have the movement, use it or lose it. You can't move 10 feet and think you're "in the process of taking the dash action," because you've taken the dash action regardless of whether you've used your movement. Similarly, when you take the attack action you get to make one or more attacks. Use them or lose them, you get the attacks. Before you roll the d20 for your first attack, you must have already taken the attack action, just like if you've used all your regular movement you must take the dash action before moving another 5 feet. To see a different, contrasting relationship between an action and an attack, regard the zombie's bash. The bash is an action, and it is an attack. The zombie does not take the attack action, and there is no distinction between the bash action and the bash melee weapon attack. The PC, on the other hand, takes the attack action, and only then can make a weapon attack. Another contrasting example is the "cast a spell" action. When you take the action, you cast a spell. If you don't cast the spell, you haven't taken the action. The attack action is different, in that even if you don't make an attack, you can still have taken the attack action. The attack action simply gives the character the ability to make one or more weapon attacks. This isn't 4e, where your weapon attack had a time measure associated with it. A weapon attack in 5e can be made as part of an action, a bonus action, or a reaction, because that action, bonus action, or reaction grants the character an attack. To be super specific and pedantic, the attack action grants a character an attack, the Extra Attack feature grants one or more additional attacks, and the Shield Master feat grants another attack, which can only be used to make a shove against a creature within 5 feet. All of these are granted at the moment the character takes the attack action, which is not a process but (like most things in 5e that aren't rituals or things that require concentration) simply a declaration that has an immediate effect. [/QUOTE]
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