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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7583724" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Ah, sorry, missed that. Reading to quickly. </p><p></p><p>Then, honestly, it really is a suckers bet. Again, unless the PC's know that there are enemies above them for some reason, there's no reason to specify looking up. Far, far more things are going to try to surprise you on your level (I mean altitude, flat plane, same elevation - grrr, English hard sometimes), so, again, unless you have a really specific reason, no one is going to do that.</p><p></p><p>In the World's Largest Dungeon example, there was no telegraphing and no real reason for the PC's to even think to ask about "looking up". Isn't, "I'm opening the door carefully and looking around, Perception 15" good enough? To me, the simple fact that you made a check means that you are looking up. That's part of "looking", isn't it?</p><p></p><p>Either way, whenever DM's start messing with the odds, most of the time, it's just not worth it. I'm taking disadvantage on a much more likely avenue of attack to gain advantage on a less likely one? Why would I do that, barring, as you say, flat out knowing that there's something above to be looked at in the first place? This sort of thing happens with skill checks all the time. The risks almost always outweigh the rewards. To the point where, given the option, I wouldn't take it. It's simply not worth the risk. </p><p></p><p>Again, barring knowing that there's something above us to watch for of course.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7583724, member: 22779"] Ah, sorry, missed that. Reading to quickly. Then, honestly, it really is a suckers bet. Again, unless the PC's know that there are enemies above them for some reason, there's no reason to specify looking up. Far, far more things are going to try to surprise you on your level (I mean altitude, flat plane, same elevation - grrr, English hard sometimes), so, again, unless you have a really specific reason, no one is going to do that. In the World's Largest Dungeon example, there was no telegraphing and no real reason for the PC's to even think to ask about "looking up". Isn't, "I'm opening the door carefully and looking around, Perception 15" good enough? To me, the simple fact that you made a check means that you are looking up. That's part of "looking", isn't it? Either way, whenever DM's start messing with the odds, most of the time, it's just not worth it. I'm taking disadvantage on a much more likely avenue of attack to gain advantage on a less likely one? Why would I do that, barring, as you say, flat out knowing that there's something above to be looked at in the first place? This sort of thing happens with skill checks all the time. The risks almost always outweigh the rewards. To the point where, given the option, I wouldn't take it. It's simply not worth the risk. Again, barring knowing that there's something above us to watch for of course. [/QUOTE]
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