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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7593708" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>"However, in his subsequently-published book of GMing advice (The Adventure Burner) Crane says that, in his own game, rather than stating the consequences expressly he often relies on context - of the fiction, of the mood at the table, etc - to make them implicit."</p><p></p><p>Yup. That's what I was referring to in my references to the nature of the scene, contextually, etc etc. Neither the player nor the character may know they are holding a loaded gun (all the potential in each of their options) but they do know there is something serious going on here.</p><p></p><p>NOTE - there might well be cases where they dont. They may have a bit of info that they are relating to someone that has much more relevance than the character knows. They may not know that the two folks they describe seeing at the seedy motel at 3am were the guy they are reporting to wife and rival. But, usually a meeting with the troll king where you are being questioned is not that kind of case. However even in the motel case, then the skill check might switch to insight to spot the growing intensity of the other guy... tone of his conversation, with results determining if and more when the PC catches on that he has walked into a minefield. </p><p></p><p>Moving on...</p><p></p><p>Yes, as I have said before, I like having checks create fiction and also love failure as some success with setback. </p><p></p><p>So depending on the check, the nature of presentation to the troll king might create unexpected favorables just as it might create unexpected unfavorables. Maybe something in the combo of voice, tone, look, quick and clear eye to eye unflinching (high check, skilled speaker) triggers a very fond recollection in the troll king. Or maybe it wasnt as skilled but struck them funny. Or maybe the specific info and situation and check resulted in suspicion and distrust. </p><p></p><p>Lots potentially coming out of that check. Lots potentially coming out of a conversation with troll king. Seems to go hand in hand, not from a box.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7593708, member: 6919838"] "However, in his subsequently-published book of GMing advice (The Adventure Burner) Crane says that, in his own game, rather than stating the consequences expressly he often relies on context - of the fiction, of the mood at the table, etc - to make them implicit." Yup. That's what I was referring to in my references to the nature of the scene, contextually, etc etc. Neither the player nor the character may know they are holding a loaded gun (all the potential in each of their options) but they do know there is something serious going on here. NOTE - there might well be cases where they dont. They may have a bit of info that they are relating to someone that has much more relevance than the character knows. They may not know that the two folks they describe seeing at the seedy motel at 3am were the guy they are reporting to wife and rival. But, usually a meeting with the troll king where you are being questioned is not that kind of case. However even in the motel case, then the skill check might switch to insight to spot the growing intensity of the other guy... tone of his conversation, with results determining if and more when the PC catches on that he has walked into a minefield. Moving on... Yes, as I have said before, I like having checks create fiction and also love failure as some success with setback. So depending on the check, the nature of presentation to the troll king might create unexpected favorables just as it might create unexpected unfavorables. Maybe something in the combo of voice, tone, look, quick and clear eye to eye unflinching (high check, skilled speaker) triggers a very fond recollection in the troll king. Or maybe it wasnt as skilled but struck them funny. Or maybe the specific info and situation and check resulted in suspicion and distrust. Lots potentially coming out of that check. Lots potentially coming out of a conversation with troll king. Seems to go hand in hand, not from a box. [/QUOTE]
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