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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7596626" data-attributes="member: 97077"><p>I thought that may be an issue as I've blocked one person and have been blocked by another. How annoying. Thanks for confirming it's a problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It may be fewer steps if the outcome is the same (an ability check). But not every task results in a roll, so at least some of the time, the player's roll is superfluous and may need to be addressed in play which is not the case if the player sticks to his or her role. A game also tends to run smoother if it's played in the manner intended in my experience, regardless of how many steps are involved. To that end, I don't think this is a very convincing case for doing what you do, though I pass no judgment on you for doing it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nor are my regulars - we're all very experienced and have been playing together for years (some from my previous D&D 4e campaigns). I think the rules are for new players and experienced players both and they tell us how <em>this</em> game is played. I think experienced players ignore them at the risk of failing to achieve the goals of play. Each game produces a particular play experience in my view when the rules of the respective games are followed. If I didn't like the D&D 5e experience, I'd probably just go back to playing D&D 4e full time instead of playing D&D 5e with D&D 4e approaches (for example). That seems like a better fit all around, especially after the experience of transitioning from D&D 3.5e to D&D 4e without having developed the viewpoint that I hold now. (Those troubles were the catalyst to get me to stop dragging my approaches from one game into another.)</p><p></p><p>So the advice I give to a lot of people trying out D&D 5e, though this applies to anyone in my view: Forget what you know about other games. Read the rules. Try to imagine the game experience it will create when followed and the approaches needed to support it. Play it and see if you like it. Then decide if it needs changing or abandoning altogether.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7596626, member: 97077"] I thought that may be an issue as I've blocked one person and have been blocked by another. How annoying. Thanks for confirming it's a problem. It may be fewer steps if the outcome is the same (an ability check). But not every task results in a roll, so at least some of the time, the player's roll is superfluous and may need to be addressed in play which is not the case if the player sticks to his or her role. A game also tends to run smoother if it's played in the manner intended in my experience, regardless of how many steps are involved. To that end, I don't think this is a very convincing case for doing what you do, though I pass no judgment on you for doing it. Nor are my regulars - we're all very experienced and have been playing together for years (some from my previous D&D 4e campaigns). I think the rules are for new players and experienced players both and they tell us how [I]this[/I] game is played. I think experienced players ignore them at the risk of failing to achieve the goals of play. Each game produces a particular play experience in my view when the rules of the respective games are followed. If I didn't like the D&D 5e experience, I'd probably just go back to playing D&D 4e full time instead of playing D&D 5e with D&D 4e approaches (for example). That seems like a better fit all around, especially after the experience of transitioning from D&D 3.5e to D&D 4e without having developed the viewpoint that I hold now. (Those troubles were the catalyst to get me to stop dragging my approaches from one game into another.) So the advice I give to a lot of people trying out D&D 5e, though this applies to anyone in my view: Forget what you know about other games. Read the rules. Try to imagine the game experience it will create when followed and the approaches needed to support it. Play it and see if you like it. Then decide if it needs changing or abandoning altogether. [/QUOTE]
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