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<blockquote data-quote="Kershek" data-source="post: 243253" data-attributes="member: 2900"><p>I really could use answers to these questions for my new Gnome Illusionist who is too creative for his own good <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I would like official responses over house rules if possible.</p><p></p><p><strong>Silent Image questions:</strong></p><p>1. Silent Image is used to erect a wall in front of archers. It looks real until they interact with it and get a save. If they fail the save, they think it's real. If the wall doesn't move or change, and none of the archers made their save, do they ever get to retry? Or is it real to them for the time it is visible?</p><p></p><p>2. If the wall gets moved and reshaped, do they get a save retry for seeing something that a wall shouldn't be doing, even without interacting with it?</p><p></p><p>3. Can you make an image that conceals an area? For instance, can I make an illusion that looks like darkness in an area? How about obscuring mist? If I tell my party members I'm going to do it ahead of time, can they automatically disbelieve? This would allow opponents to have a large penalty to attack, while my allies would have an immense upper hand against flat-footed opponents that couldn't see. I can see an argument saying they would only get a +4 to their save as listed in the PHB. But if I show them the spell ahead of time outside of combat, you would think they could automatically disbelieve it.</p><p></p><p>4. Can you make Silent Image similar to a poor-man's invisibility spell? For instance, bandits approach to loot our wagon. Can I use Silent Image to make it seem the wagon has disappeared and, in its place, is an empty area of road?</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Mirror Image questions:</strong></p><p>I don't have mirror image yet, but I wanted to get something resolved. Let's say I have 4 mirror images and they are all standing in a line 20 feet long. If someone tries hitting an image, I roll to randomly determine if I get hit or an image gets hit, as the spell describes. </p><p></p><p>1. However, let's say I want to move and attack someone (perhaps even with a flank from one of my own images). Are all images open to attacks of opportunity? </p><p></p><p>2. How do you determine which one is really me if you roll randomly as explained above to determine if I get hit? </p><p></p><p>3. In fact, how do you ever determine which one is really me and still allow me to be any one of the images randomly? </p><p></p><p>4. If I make a touch attack against an opponent and not all my images are close enough, does that affect which images the opponent perceives to be illusion?</p><p></p><p>5. If I have 4 mirror images standing in a 20 foot long line and none of them move, yet they appear to be weaving in and out of each other, could this allow me to move from on end of the mirror image line to the other without getting attacks of opportunity?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to "get around" the rules at all. I'm trying to see where the boundaries lie. I don't want to give our DM fits about these questions without a good foundation to explain myself with the core rulebooks as my proof. If my DM has to make all these ad-hoc rules, not only will consistency be threatened, but the level of arguments between everyone playing will mire the game down in no time. I can't seem to find answers to these questions in the core rulebooks, errata, or Saturday's revision of the D&D FAQ, but hopefully I've missed something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kershek, post: 243253, member: 2900"] I really could use answers to these questions for my new Gnome Illusionist who is too creative for his own good :) I would like official responses over house rules if possible. [B]Silent Image questions:[/B] 1. Silent Image is used to erect a wall in front of archers. It looks real until they interact with it and get a save. If they fail the save, they think it's real. If the wall doesn't move or change, and none of the archers made their save, do they ever get to retry? Or is it real to them for the time it is visible? 2. If the wall gets moved and reshaped, do they get a save retry for seeing something that a wall shouldn't be doing, even without interacting with it? 3. Can you make an image that conceals an area? For instance, can I make an illusion that looks like darkness in an area? How about obscuring mist? If I tell my party members I'm going to do it ahead of time, can they automatically disbelieve? This would allow opponents to have a large penalty to attack, while my allies would have an immense upper hand against flat-footed opponents that couldn't see. I can see an argument saying they would only get a +4 to their save as listed in the PHB. But if I show them the spell ahead of time outside of combat, you would think they could automatically disbelieve it. 4. Can you make Silent Image similar to a poor-man's invisibility spell? For instance, bandits approach to loot our wagon. Can I use Silent Image to make it seem the wagon has disappeared and, in its place, is an empty area of road? [B]Mirror Image questions:[/B] I don't have mirror image yet, but I wanted to get something resolved. Let's say I have 4 mirror images and they are all standing in a line 20 feet long. If someone tries hitting an image, I roll to randomly determine if I get hit or an image gets hit, as the spell describes. 1. However, let's say I want to move and attack someone (perhaps even with a flank from one of my own images). Are all images open to attacks of opportunity? 2. How do you determine which one is really me if you roll randomly as explained above to determine if I get hit? 3. In fact, how do you ever determine which one is really me and still allow me to be any one of the images randomly? 4. If I make a touch attack against an opponent and not all my images are close enough, does that affect which images the opponent perceives to be illusion? 5. If I have 4 mirror images standing in a 20 foot long line and none of them move, yet they appear to be weaving in and out of each other, could this allow me to move from on end of the mirror image line to the other without getting attacks of opportunity? I'm not trying to "get around" the rules at all. I'm trying to see where the boundaries lie. I don't want to give our DM fits about these questions without a good foundation to explain myself with the core rulebooks as my proof. If my DM has to make all these ad-hoc rules, not only will consistency be threatened, but the level of arguments between everyone playing will mire the game down in no time. I can't seem to find answers to these questions in the core rulebooks, errata, or Saturday's revision of the D&D FAQ, but hopefully I've missed something. [/QUOTE]
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