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Illusion spell questions: Silent Image and Mirror Image
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<blockquote data-quote="Kershek" data-source="post: 243800" data-attributes="member: 2900"><p>Thanks for the responses. I forgot about the figment description that says you can't make something seem to be something else. Glad that's out of the way.</p><p></p><p>Ki Ryn explained that putting your hand through an illusionary wall makes your hand go through it. Let's say you were in the situation that I mentioned where three kobold archers saw a wall appear in front of them. Would you run up to it to touch it or run around it? If you didn't run up to touch it, there would be no save. If you did run up and touch it, according to him it would be incontrovertible proof it doesn't exist and you automatically disbelieve. I'd assume the same would be said for throwing a rock through it. Where is the middle ground where you'd actually have to roll to save? </p><p></p><p>Kreynolds said not to worry about which of the images is really me when someone rolls to attack me. Unfortunately, it does matter since it could make the difference between me getting in a touch attack or having to move so far as to provoke an AoO. Take the following possibility, where M# is myself and my images, and O# are opponents:</p><p></p><p>M1M2</p><p>M3M4</p><p>M5M6</p><p>O1O2</p><p></p><p>In this case, if it's random and unknown to me which of the M's I am, then I don't know if I need to move nowhere, 5 ft, or 10 ft to do a touch attack. If it's 10 ft, then the opponents get an AoO. But wait, you don't get AoOs on images. Therefore, I must be in the back row. If I were an NPC and the opponents were PCs, they would know I was in the back row.</p><p></p><p>Another question that arises - can I direct my images to move where I want, or do they move in the exact direction I move?</p><p></p><p>One more - If someone chooses to overrun an image, can the image just step out of the way?</p><p></p><p>I have no idea how to abjucate this. It's very confusing. Any help would be appreciated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kershek, post: 243800, member: 2900"] Thanks for the responses. I forgot about the figment description that says you can't make something seem to be something else. Glad that's out of the way. Ki Ryn explained that putting your hand through an illusionary wall makes your hand go through it. Let's say you were in the situation that I mentioned where three kobold archers saw a wall appear in front of them. Would you run up to it to touch it or run around it? If you didn't run up to touch it, there would be no save. If you did run up and touch it, according to him it would be incontrovertible proof it doesn't exist and you automatically disbelieve. I'd assume the same would be said for throwing a rock through it. Where is the middle ground where you'd actually have to roll to save? Kreynolds said not to worry about which of the images is really me when someone rolls to attack me. Unfortunately, it does matter since it could make the difference between me getting in a touch attack or having to move so far as to provoke an AoO. Take the following possibility, where M# is myself and my images, and O# are opponents: M1M2 M3M4 M5M6 O1O2 In this case, if it's random and unknown to me which of the M's I am, then I don't know if I need to move nowhere, 5 ft, or 10 ft to do a touch attack. If it's 10 ft, then the opponents get an AoO. But wait, you don't get AoOs on images. Therefore, I must be in the back row. If I were an NPC and the opponents were PCs, they would know I was in the back row. Another question that arises - can I direct my images to move where I want, or do they move in the exact direction I move? One more - If someone chooses to overrun an image, can the image just step out of the way? I have no idea how to abjucate this. It's very confusing. Any help would be appreciated. [/QUOTE]
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