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<blockquote data-quote="TaranTheWanderer" data-source="post: 7547552" data-attributes="member: 15882"><p>I don't like minor illusion being a mental effect because:</p><p></p><p>1. It only affects a 5 foot square. So, if you aren't in the square, how is it affecting you if it's mental</p><p>2. It means things without minds are immune to it, which isn't the case. Undead and constructs should be fooled unless they have something like blindsight.</p><p></p><p>How I adjudicate is this:</p><p></p><p>Everything in the area of the illusion is a visual trick. Like those crazy 3d pictures that you have to stare at for a long time before you see what the image actually is.</p><p></p><p>So, a torch IN or behind the area of an illusory wall would disappear but the light outside the 5 foot space of the illusion would be real because. The illusion takes on the actual lighting of the area so you might not know exactly where the light is coming from. In a large room, you might be able to narrow it down by looking at the radius of light. The discrepancy lets gives you a clue to investigate. If you throw a rock through it, the rock goes through.</p><p></p><p>Your brain might tell you that's impossible, but once you go to investigate (maybe with advantage because you threw a rock through the wall), you might see the illusion. (You see the image of the 3d picture.) It doesn't mean you can see through it, it just means you know the area and shape of the illusion. So, just like two people looking at the 3d picture, one person can see the illusion while another can, simultaneously, not see it.</p><p></p><p>If you fail your check, for all intent and purposes, it looks like a wall but since you threw a rock through the wall, you can probably guess it's an illusion and go ahead and try to walk through it. Let's hope there isn't a pit trap behind the wall because only a successful investigation would let you see if there was.</p><p></p><p>The disco ball may or may not reflect off the image, because it depends if it's a more powerful illusion. The cantrip won't show the dancing lights because minor image just creates a stationary image. Higher level illusions are more flexible. This does not let you see through the illusion but it might give you a clue that there is an illusory chair, or wall or bed or whatever and give you a reason to investigate the area.</p><p></p><p>If there's an object hidden inside a magical barrel and you notice the barrel is an illusion, you can surmise what is inside it because you can differentiate between the illusion and reality. I wouldn't say it becomes 'transparent'. This latter example is a bit hand-wavy, I admit.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, The wall [edit]does not[/edit]gives concealment, whether or not you know it's an illusion. I just re-read the description and, if it does become translucent, it shouldn't give concealment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TaranTheWanderer, post: 7547552, member: 15882"] I don't like minor illusion being a mental effect because: 1. It only affects a 5 foot square. So, if you aren't in the square, how is it affecting you if it's mental 2. It means things without minds are immune to it, which isn't the case. Undead and constructs should be fooled unless they have something like blindsight. How I adjudicate is this: Everything in the area of the illusion is a visual trick. Like those crazy 3d pictures that you have to stare at for a long time before you see what the image actually is. So, a torch IN or behind the area of an illusory wall would disappear but the light outside the 5 foot space of the illusion would be real because. The illusion takes on the actual lighting of the area so you might not know exactly where the light is coming from. In a large room, you might be able to narrow it down by looking at the radius of light. The discrepancy lets gives you a clue to investigate. If you throw a rock through it, the rock goes through. Your brain might tell you that's impossible, but once you go to investigate (maybe with advantage because you threw a rock through the wall), you might see the illusion. (You see the image of the 3d picture.) It doesn't mean you can see through it, it just means you know the area and shape of the illusion. So, just like two people looking at the 3d picture, one person can see the illusion while another can, simultaneously, not see it. If you fail your check, for all intent and purposes, it looks like a wall but since you threw a rock through the wall, you can probably guess it's an illusion and go ahead and try to walk through it. Let's hope there isn't a pit trap behind the wall because only a successful investigation would let you see if there was. The disco ball may or may not reflect off the image, because it depends if it's a more powerful illusion. The cantrip won't show the dancing lights because minor image just creates a stationary image. Higher level illusions are more flexible. This does not let you see through the illusion but it might give you a clue that there is an illusory chair, or wall or bed or whatever and give you a reason to investigate the area. If there's an object hidden inside a magical barrel and you notice the barrel is an illusion, you can surmise what is inside it because you can differentiate between the illusion and reality. I wouldn't say it becomes 'transparent'. This latter example is a bit hand-wavy, I admit. Lastly, The wall [edit]does not[/edit]gives concealment, whether or not you know it's an illusion. I just re-read the description and, if it does become translucent, it shouldn't give concealment. [/QUOTE]
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