Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
I'm the DM and a player is trying to abuse the Immovable Rod. Advice?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="tglassy" data-source="post: 6921528" data-attributes="member: 6855204"><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Lol, not it’s not. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Wood has a stress limit.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Suspension wiring has a stress limit.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Hell, the human arm has a stress limit, but if you distribute the weightaccordingly, according to physics, one human arm can move a massive ship from themiddle of a city to the coast.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">It’s beendone.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">I think it was Archimedes who saidhe could move the earth if he had but another earth in which to put hislever.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Having an 8001 lbs house on two rods doesn’t automaticallymagically make both rods having to lift all 8001 lbs. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">That’s nonsense.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Here’s the rule: The rod can hold up to 8,000pounds of weight.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">More weight than thatwould cause the rod to deactivate and fail.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">It doesn’t say it can only hold up objects that weigh lessthan 8,000 lbs. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">It says that it can holdup to 8,000 lbs.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">If you evenlydistribute 8,000 lbs on four rods, then each rod is only holding up 2,000lbs.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">It’s called physics. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">I understand this is a magical item that is already breaking the laws ofphysics, but it is very specific in the manner in which it breaks them.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">It causes the rod to become fixed inspace.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">No other laws of weightdistribution are affected.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Here’s another example. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">If you and I were to lift something that weighed two hundred pounds, andeach of us can only lift 120, will we be unable to lift it?</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">No.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Because each of us, assuming it’s evenly balanced, will only be lifting100 lbs.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">I could go on, but this is a dead horse at this point. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">A floating house would be awesome, and a verygood and unique way to use items like this, if you could afford the number itwould require.</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">…until someone came up and started pressing the buttons todeactivate them. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Deactivate enough ofthem, and the house comes tumbling down…</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">And as far as magic not requiring physics, this is alsoa false statement. A fireball createsfire, and then the fire does its thing. The “Levitate” spell can make a person float, but they still havemass. A poison dart spell pumps poisoninto a person, which only affects them if poison affects them. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Physics is avery real thing in a magical world. Magic is just a way to do things that are otherwise impossible throughphysics, like creating something out of nothing. That something still has mass, thingsaffected by magical spells are affected according to physics, unless the spellfurther breaks those laws, specifically. Unless you make sure to create a fireball spell that specifically doesn’tburn things, it’s gonna burn things when its cast. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">If nothingelse, wizards are the scientists of the DND world, as they understand the lawsof physics better than anyone, because you need to understand the laws in orderto understand how to break them. Or at least, those wizards who invented spells understand physics. Everyone else is just copying.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tglassy, post: 6921528, member: 6855204"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Lol, not it’s not. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Wood has a stress limit.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Suspension wiring has a stress limit.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Hell, the human arm has a stress limit, but if you distribute the weightaccordingly, according to physics, one human arm can move a massive ship from themiddle of a city to the coast.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]It’s beendone.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]I think it was Archimedes who saidhe could move the earth if he had but another earth in which to put hislever.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Having an 8001 lbs house on two rods doesn’t automaticallymagically make both rods having to lift all 8001 lbs. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]That’s nonsense.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Here’s the rule: The rod can hold up to 8,000pounds of weight.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]More weight than thatwould cause the rod to deactivate and fail.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]It doesn’t say it can only hold up objects that weigh lessthan 8,000 lbs. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]It says that it can holdup to 8,000 lbs.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]If you evenlydistribute 8,000 lbs on four rods, then each rod is only holding up 2,000lbs.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]It’s called physics. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]I understand this is a magical item that is already breaking the laws ofphysics, but it is very specific in the manner in which it breaks them.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]It causes the rod to become fixed inspace.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]No other laws of weightdistribution are affected.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Here’s another example. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]If you and I were to lift something that weighed two hundred pounds, andeach of us can only lift 120, will we be unable to lift it?[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]No.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Because each of us, assuming it’s evenly balanced, will only be lifting100 lbs.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]I could go on, but this is a dead horse at this point. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]A floating house would be awesome, and a verygood and unique way to use items like this, if you could afford the number itwould require.[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]…until someone came up and started pressing the buttons todeactivate them. [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Deactivate enough ofthem, and the house comes tumbling down…[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=black][FONT="Tahoma"]And as far as magic not requiring physics, this is alsoa false statement. A fireball createsfire, and then the fire does its thing. The “Levitate” spell can make a person float, but they still havemass. A poison dart spell pumps poisoninto a person, which only affects them if poison affects them. [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=black][FONT="Tahoma"]Physics is avery real thing in a magical world. Magic is just a way to do things that are otherwise impossible throughphysics, like creating something out of nothing. That something still has mass, thingsaffected by magical spells are affected according to physics, unless the spellfurther breaks those laws, specifically. Unless you make sure to create a fireball spell that specifically doesn’tburn things, it’s gonna burn things when its cast. [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=black][FONT="Tahoma"][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=black][FONT="Tahoma"]If nothingelse, wizards are the scientists of the DND world, as they understand the lawsof physics better than anyone, because you need to understand the laws in orderto understand how to break them. Or at least, those wizards who invented spells understand physics. Everyone else is just copying.[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
I'm the DM and a player is trying to abuse the Immovable Rod. Advice?
Top