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Intelegent creatures immune to mind effects?
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<blockquote data-quote="Eldorian" data-source="post: 811012" data-attributes="member: 10504"><p>Lemme get this straight... you think the alien mindset of undead, plants, and constructs is so great that they should be immune to mind effects, and that aberations, with their lesser alien mindsets deserve bonuses to saves vs mind effects?</p><p></p><p>You must <strong>really</strong> hate enchanters!</p><p></p><p>But seriously, how alien of a mindset does, for example, a lich or a vampire or indeed most intellegent undead have? They were for the most part former humanoids, and humanoids aren't immune to mind effects. And treants and ents from LoTR seem to me to have very humanlike minds, much more so than say an outsider with an alignment type like a celestial or slaadi. </p><p></p><p>As for specialty spells that already charm and dominate undead, they have such specialized use that only a wizard would think of taking them, and only if he knew he would be facing undead. They would be most unattractive for a sorcerer or psion. As for plants, control plants gives limited control of plant creatures, and command plants acts as mass charm, but only 8th level. Both are druid/plant domain only, so our would be enchanter couldn't even take them. And what about intellegent constructs?</p><p></p><p>In addition, I would like to mention that there are monsters that have immunity to mind effects almost as an afterthought. And the spell Mind blank makes the caster immune as well. I see no spells which give complete immunity, or monsters with complete immunity, to other schools of magic. Where is the "immune to all transmutations" monster? </p><p></p><p>What I really would like to find out is if removing all these immunities to mind effects in some way destroys the game balance, or makes enchanters overpowered. As is, there are situations where enchanters can do NOTHING, which I just don't like. Even with my proposed changes, there are still monsters which are entirely immune to enchantments mindless creatures like some plants, constructs, all vermin, and lesser undead, but at least there are fewer.</p><p></p><p>Eldorian Antar</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eldorian, post: 811012, member: 10504"] Lemme get this straight... you think the alien mindset of undead, plants, and constructs is so great that they should be immune to mind effects, and that aberations, with their lesser alien mindsets deserve bonuses to saves vs mind effects? You must [B]really[/B] hate enchanters! But seriously, how alien of a mindset does, for example, a lich or a vampire or indeed most intellegent undead have? They were for the most part former humanoids, and humanoids aren't immune to mind effects. And treants and ents from LoTR seem to me to have very humanlike minds, much more so than say an outsider with an alignment type like a celestial or slaadi. As for specialty spells that already charm and dominate undead, they have such specialized use that only a wizard would think of taking them, and only if he knew he would be facing undead. They would be most unattractive for a sorcerer or psion. As for plants, control plants gives limited control of plant creatures, and command plants acts as mass charm, but only 8th level. Both are druid/plant domain only, so our would be enchanter couldn't even take them. And what about intellegent constructs? In addition, I would like to mention that there are monsters that have immunity to mind effects almost as an afterthought. And the spell Mind blank makes the caster immune as well. I see no spells which give complete immunity, or monsters with complete immunity, to other schools of magic. Where is the "immune to all transmutations" monster? What I really would like to find out is if removing all these immunities to mind effects in some way destroys the game balance, or makes enchanters overpowered. As is, there are situations where enchanters can do NOTHING, which I just don't like. Even with my proposed changes, there are still monsters which are entirely immune to enchantments mindless creatures like some plants, constructs, all vermin, and lesser undead, but at least there are fewer. Eldorian Antar [/QUOTE]
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