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<blockquote data-quote="Steve Conan Trustrum" data-source="post: 2497374" data-attributes="member: 1620"><p>Something only counts as hyperbole if you can illustrate how you intend it to be an exaggeration. Your comments so far have done very little to convince me you are a competent researcher, so expecting me to think you're using hyperbole rather than speaking from lay knowledge (especially given the context in which you used it) is a leap that grants you more merit than your words warrant thus far.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And, again, how did I suggest otherwise? You were talking in extremes and absolutes. I was not. If you want to account for exceptions--no matter how they are formed--please stop speaking in unqualified absolutes and then assume that you have already done so when called on it. You certainly have not done so, sir, unless you are again going to tell me the following unqualified statement is hyperbole: <strong>The only way a full-demographic poll works is if you're targeting a group of less than a hundred members or so.<strong> If you did mean this to be taken at face value, I believe what you meant to say was <strong>The only way a GENERAL POPULATION full-demographic poll works is if you're targeting a group of less than a hundred members or so</strong> (which is an interesting concept in and of itself considering the idea of a survey targetting a sample of 100 that isn't going after a niche is rather odd, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), but you did not say that, nor did you so much as suggest it. Please, do start saying what you mean rather than trying to add unspecified post-statement criteria to your points and my comments.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>Honestly, you jump on one point in the post with what you claim is hyperbole, go back and add unspecified criteria to your comments afterward to skew my replies, and yet failed to address ANY of the other points about the research I made. So, instead of chipping away at one corner of the stone with your tiny hammer, how about addressing your expertise to the rest of the points I made with something other than claiming an observer at a market research focus group is only offering his "personal opinion," as though he were present in a social capacity, when he clearly is not. Please speak to the validity of the comments rather than excusing the points they address with a clearly apologetic and thin excuse.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>Research participation isn't subsidized to the individual healthcare workers in Canada. Also, much of our healthcare research is for American pharmaceutical companies.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>The size of the group depends on the specialty and how we contact them. A touch on behalf of Roche, for example, certainly won't garner the same response as a charity. Of course, if you're in research you'll know this already.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>And, AGAIN, yes "occassionally" can indeed mean once in three years. It can mean once in a decade. But, as I've pointed out, I was not the one who put a time frame on how often this occurs. I merely stated that it CAN happen. I stated it was not impossible in spite of your claim otherwi... er, in spite of your "hyperbole." If you wish to, in hindsight, try to claim I made a claim to the contrary, I beg you to point it out so that I can apologize for the unclear communication of my point. If not, I once more suggest you stick to what you and I are both saying rather than adding imaginative implications to my words post hoc.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>Perhaps you should farm the survey off to us, then. </strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>The first thing I'd point out to you and your client is that making the incentive varied to suit responses will automatically skew the data instead of offering a flat fee for qualified participation to represent an unbiased standard. An incentive is meant to be a flat payment for services rendered, not a reward for giving the "correct" answers--doing the latter is definately leading your respondent. But, seeing as how you are CLEARLY a market researcher I need not point that out to you ... Having dealt with that issue, I'm certain we could offer suggestions on getting your return rate up.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>We both stray far from the mark, however. Do you have any suggestions on how WotC--indeed, any rpg company--could get <strong>reliable </strong>market research data at a cost most companies in this industry can afford?</strong></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steve Conan Trustrum, post: 2497374, member: 1620"] Something only counts as hyperbole if you can illustrate how you intend it to be an exaggeration. Your comments so far have done very little to convince me you are a competent researcher, so expecting me to think you're using hyperbole rather than speaking from lay knowledge (especially given the context in which you used it) is a leap that grants you more merit than your words warrant thus far. And, again, how did I suggest otherwise? You were talking in extremes and absolutes. I was not. If you want to account for exceptions--no matter how they are formed--please stop speaking in unqualified absolutes and then assume that you have already done so when called on it. You certainly have not done so, sir, unless you are again going to tell me the following unqualified statement is hyperbole: [b]The only way a full-demographic poll works is if you're targeting a group of less than a hundred members or so.[b] If you did mean this to be taken at face value, I believe what you meant to say was [b]The only way a GENERAL POPULATION full-demographic poll works is if you're targeting a group of less than a hundred members or so[/b] (which is an interesting concept in and of itself considering the idea of a survey targetting a sample of 100 that isn't going after a niche is rather odd, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), but you did not say that, nor did you so much as suggest it. Please, do start saying what you mean rather than trying to add unspecified post-statement criteria to your points and my comments. Honestly, you jump on one point in the post with what you claim is hyperbole, go back and add unspecified criteria to your comments afterward to skew my replies, and yet failed to address ANY of the other points about the research I made. So, instead of chipping away at one corner of the stone with your tiny hammer, how about addressing your expertise to the rest of the points I made with something other than claiming an observer at a market research focus group is only offering his "personal opinion," as though he were present in a social capacity, when he clearly is not. Please speak to the validity of the comments rather than excusing the points they address with a clearly apologetic and thin excuse. Research participation isn't subsidized to the individual healthcare workers in Canada. Also, much of our healthcare research is for American pharmaceutical companies. The size of the group depends on the specialty and how we contact them. A touch on behalf of Roche, for example, certainly won't garner the same response as a charity. Of course, if you're in research you'll know this already. And, AGAIN, yes "occassionally" can indeed mean once in three years. It can mean once in a decade. But, as I've pointed out, I was not the one who put a time frame on how often this occurs. I merely stated that it CAN happen. I stated it was not impossible in spite of your claim otherwi... er, in spite of your "hyperbole." If you wish to, in hindsight, try to claim I made a claim to the contrary, I beg you to point it out so that I can apologize for the unclear communication of my point. If not, I once more suggest you stick to what you and I are both saying rather than adding imaginative implications to my words post hoc. Perhaps you should farm the survey off to us, then. The first thing I'd point out to you and your client is that making the incentive varied to suit responses will automatically skew the data instead of offering a flat fee for qualified participation to represent an unbiased standard. An incentive is meant to be a flat payment for services rendered, not a reward for giving the "correct" answers--doing the latter is definately leading your respondent. But, seeing as how you are CLEARLY a market researcher I need not point that out to you ... Having dealt with that issue, I'm certain we could offer suggestions on getting your return rate up. We both stray far from the mark, however. Do you have any suggestions on how WotC--indeed, any rpg company--could get [B]reliable [/B]market research data at a cost most companies in this industry can afford?[/b][/b] [/QUOTE]
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