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<blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 6198525" data-attributes="member: 8835"><p>Remember that cloud explanation I gave a bit back in the iOS7 thread?</p><p></p><p>This POP3 vs. IMAP is the classic example of that concept. POP3 = the old way of stuff on one machine isn't quite accessible on another machine (be it mail server, PC, and iPhone). IMAP is the new world order (ain't even bloody new, it's been around for like 20 years). </p><p></p><p>All it really is is centralization. Stuff stays on a central point (the mail server), and clients slurp down what they need and send change requests back (deletions). This ensures that the same presentation is available to both devices.</p><p></p><p>Now I don't know why your life was better with TWC. But as I said in many other threads about this kind of thing (and another dude repeated the same advice): don't host yer mail on yer ISP. TWC, AT&T are all ISPs. use gmail or hotmail (I recommend gmail, they support IMAP).</p><p></p><p>I'm certain the Apple store guy gave you a fuzzy "Bullgrit".Replace('g','s') answer. If you been popping with 2 clients on the same mail server, you got fricking lucky if you got the right stuff on the right device.</p><p></p><p>We're all looking at you funny, because from a home IT perspective, you're doing everything the risky, don't make sense to us. It's solving the problem the wrong way because of how you think a feature works, when in reality it is screwing you over.</p><p></p><p>The point of a mobile device is to get access to stuff that's out there on the internet. Everything on your PC is crap, because it ain't a server on the internet. Which means that in a pinch, when you really need that email with that hot chick's address, you can't get it.</p><p></p><p>Or when your house/PC burns down while your at the movies, all your email on your PC is lost, because you insisted on POP3 download-deletion instead of keeping it on the server (which only works well with IMAP, in POP3 that would have been insanity).</p><p></p><p>If you don't want the mail on yer PC to be available on yer phone, then use 2 different mail accounts, one for each device.</p><p></p><p>I have a buddy who wants his iPhone to buzz when he gets email from work, because he's out working in the field all day and the orders come in that way.</p><p></p><p>So, he's got it wired to his gmail, with no push/no notifications, just so he can see that WHEN he wants it.</p><p>then he's got his work email wired up with push/notifications because that he HAS to see.</p><p></p><p>Consider it this way from out perspective:</p><p>you had a PC hooked up to <a href="mailto:bullgrit@twc.com">bullgrit@twc.com</a> and yer iphone hooked up to <a href="mailto:bullgrit@twc.com">bullgrit@twc.com</a>.</p><p></p><p>You said "I don't need or want my iPhone's email to duplicate my home computer/Outlook. I don't need/want my systems synced up and showing the same stuff. I don't use them for the same stuff. I just don't. My phone is not my computer, and my computer is not my phone. (To me, it's like having my microwave and alarm clock synced up.)"</p><p></p><p>Now how in the bloody heck is the PC or the iPhone going to know which emails on the TWC server you wanted on which device?</p><p></p><p>There' ain't no freaking way that's just going to magically work that your iPhone just happens to download stuff you want to see on the iPhone from a shared account with a client doing POP3-move.</p><p></p><p>IMAP is the thing you want. Don't resist. Do what the nerd herd tells you on this. If you read in on your PC, that's a "change" which is sent back to the mail server. That means, when you open yer iPhone, it'll fetch the latest states of yer email, and that will be reflected (it will show as "read").</p><p></p><p>If you somehow want to segregate what email is on your Phone, from the rest of the stuff you work with on your PC, there's other tools for that. Dicking around with POP3 ain't the right way to that end and its just bad.</p><p></p><p>Friends don't let friends use POP3.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Janx, post: 6198525, member: 8835"] Remember that cloud explanation I gave a bit back in the iOS7 thread? This POP3 vs. IMAP is the classic example of that concept. POP3 = the old way of stuff on one machine isn't quite accessible on another machine (be it mail server, PC, and iPhone). IMAP is the new world order (ain't even bloody new, it's been around for like 20 years). All it really is is centralization. Stuff stays on a central point (the mail server), and clients slurp down what they need and send change requests back (deletions). This ensures that the same presentation is available to both devices. Now I don't know why your life was better with TWC. But as I said in many other threads about this kind of thing (and another dude repeated the same advice): don't host yer mail on yer ISP. TWC, AT&T are all ISPs. use gmail or hotmail (I recommend gmail, they support IMAP). I'm certain the Apple store guy gave you a fuzzy "Bullgrit".Replace('g','s') answer. If you been popping with 2 clients on the same mail server, you got fricking lucky if you got the right stuff on the right device. We're all looking at you funny, because from a home IT perspective, you're doing everything the risky, don't make sense to us. It's solving the problem the wrong way because of how you think a feature works, when in reality it is screwing you over. The point of a mobile device is to get access to stuff that's out there on the internet. Everything on your PC is crap, because it ain't a server on the internet. Which means that in a pinch, when you really need that email with that hot chick's address, you can't get it. Or when your house/PC burns down while your at the movies, all your email on your PC is lost, because you insisted on POP3 download-deletion instead of keeping it on the server (which only works well with IMAP, in POP3 that would have been insanity). If you don't want the mail on yer PC to be available on yer phone, then use 2 different mail accounts, one for each device. I have a buddy who wants his iPhone to buzz when he gets email from work, because he's out working in the field all day and the orders come in that way. So, he's got it wired to his gmail, with no push/no notifications, just so he can see that WHEN he wants it. then he's got his work email wired up with push/notifications because that he HAS to see. Consider it this way from out perspective: you had a PC hooked up to [email]bullgrit@twc.com[/email] and yer iphone hooked up to [email]bullgrit@twc.com[/email]. You said "I don't need or want my iPhone's email to duplicate my home computer/Outlook. I don't need/want my systems synced up and showing the same stuff. I don't use them for the same stuff. I just don't. My phone is not my computer, and my computer is not my phone. (To me, it's like having my microwave and alarm clock synced up.)" Now how in the bloody heck is the PC or the iPhone going to know which emails on the TWC server you wanted on which device? There' ain't no freaking way that's just going to magically work that your iPhone just happens to download stuff you want to see on the iPhone from a shared account with a client doing POP3-move. IMAP is the thing you want. Don't resist. Do what the nerd herd tells you on this. If you read in on your PC, that's a "change" which is sent back to the mail server. That means, when you open yer iPhone, it'll fetch the latest states of yer email, and that will be reflected (it will show as "read"). If you somehow want to segregate what email is on your Phone, from the rest of the stuff you work with on your PC, there's other tools for that. Dicking around with POP3 ain't the right way to that end and its just bad. Friends don't let friends use POP3. [/QUOTE]
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