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<blockquote data-quote="'o Skoteinos" data-source="post: 115245" data-attributes="member: 422"><p><strong>Need Ruling on a spell</strong></p><p></p><p>With some ultraheigh level mages, it would be possible to do the following:</p><p></p><p>Take a Rogue 20, a Druid 20 (with Shifter levels and Multi Attack and Multi Dexterity feats), a Wiz 24 or higher and a Fighter 20 and a huge number of peasants. All in the mix with Gestalt (BoEM2) and I have an Ancient Gold Wyrm (or the biggest kind of dragon I can become as Shifter), being an Abberation with fighter BAB, who can attack with *each* of his limbs (2 from the Rogue, 2 from the Fighter, 2 from the Wizard and 2 times the number of peasants) with Sneak Attack damage (from being Improved Invisible). let's say I take 17 Peasants, that'd be: 4 attack of the Fighter, 40 attacks of the additional limps, and probably the Dragons' natural attacks too!</p><p></p><p>That will work.</p><p></p><p>The ruling is the following. I add a Persistent Duplicate (the spell I've been calling "Two Bodies". The correct name is Duplicate). The spell basically says that it copies the creature (exact duplicate), but none of the lingering spell effects are transferred to the Duplicate. Also, if the 'original' dies, the Duplicate becomes the real 'person' and you lose 2d4 * 1000 XP. What happens in the following scenario:</p><p></p><p>1) The complete creature is Duplicated.</p><p></p><p>2) The complete creature is Duplicated, then 'falls apart' into all the different people (thus having 21 people from the example).</p><p></p><p>3) The only thing to be Duplicated is the caster, even though he is part of something bigger and does no longer excist for the purpose of this spell.</p><p></p><p>When 1:</p><p>What happens if the spell runs out (Gestalt = 1 minute / level)? Will the spell run out on the Duplicate too?</p><p></p><p>When 2:</p><p>What happens if I attack with the original creature, who is then slain? Will all the people go back to their own body? Does everyone lose 2d4x1000 XP, or does the "Gestalt" lose 2d4x1000 XP, distributed evenly among the participants?</p><p></p><p>When 3:</p><p>What happens if the original is slain? Do all the souls go to the caster of the Duplicate spell, or does only the caster live on, while all the others die?</p><p></p><p>***New Research***</p><p>I'm starting research on a Gestalt spell with some differences:</p><p></p><p>Duration: From 1 minute / level to Instantaneous.</p><p>Save: None</p><p>SR: None</p><p>Special: Subjects must be willing.</p><p>Special: The creature with the highest intelligence will be able to shift control each round (he is in control, but can assign control to others on a round to round basis).</p><p>Special: You *don't* gain the Two Weapon Fighting and the Ambidexterity feats that you normally gain when you cast the spell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="'o Skoteinos, post: 115245, member: 422"] [b]Need Ruling on a spell[/b] With some ultraheigh level mages, it would be possible to do the following: Take a Rogue 20, a Druid 20 (with Shifter levels and Multi Attack and Multi Dexterity feats), a Wiz 24 or higher and a Fighter 20 and a huge number of peasants. All in the mix with Gestalt (BoEM2) and I have an Ancient Gold Wyrm (or the biggest kind of dragon I can become as Shifter), being an Abberation with fighter BAB, who can attack with *each* of his limbs (2 from the Rogue, 2 from the Fighter, 2 from the Wizard and 2 times the number of peasants) with Sneak Attack damage (from being Improved Invisible). let's say I take 17 Peasants, that'd be: 4 attack of the Fighter, 40 attacks of the additional limps, and probably the Dragons' natural attacks too! That will work. The ruling is the following. I add a Persistent Duplicate (the spell I've been calling "Two Bodies". The correct name is Duplicate). The spell basically says that it copies the creature (exact duplicate), but none of the lingering spell effects are transferred to the Duplicate. Also, if the 'original' dies, the Duplicate becomes the real 'person' and you lose 2d4 * 1000 XP. What happens in the following scenario: 1) The complete creature is Duplicated. 2) The complete creature is Duplicated, then 'falls apart' into all the different people (thus having 21 people from the example). 3) The only thing to be Duplicated is the caster, even though he is part of something bigger and does no longer excist for the purpose of this spell. When 1: What happens if the spell runs out (Gestalt = 1 minute / level)? Will the spell run out on the Duplicate too? When 2: What happens if I attack with the original creature, who is then slain? Will all the people go back to their own body? Does everyone lose 2d4x1000 XP, or does the "Gestalt" lose 2d4x1000 XP, distributed evenly among the participants? When 3: What happens if the original is slain? Do all the souls go to the caster of the Duplicate spell, or does only the caster live on, while all the others die? ***New Research*** I'm starting research on a Gestalt spell with some differences: Duration: From 1 minute / level to Instantaneous. Save: None SR: None Special: Subjects must be willing. Special: The creature with the highest intelligence will be able to shift control each round (he is in control, but can assign control to others on a round to round basis). Special: You *don't* gain the Two Weapon Fighting and the Ambidexterity feats that you normally gain when you cast the spell. [/QUOTE]
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