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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 129485" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p>I just looked at your page 9. I found the post: Should We Tell Edena?</p><p></p><p> I THINK YOU ALL KNOW VERY WELL HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE BELOW.</p><p></p><p> WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME? WHY DIDN'T YOU LET ME INTO THE FORUM THEN?</p><p></p><p></p><p> The Bugbear's Lair</p><p> > Lurker's Forum</p><p> > So, when do we tell Edena that we</p><p> exist?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> Page 1 2 3 </p><p></p><p> << Prev Topic | Next Topic >> </p><p></p><p> Author </p><p> Comment </p><p> William Ronald</p><p> Initiate</p><p> Posts: 24</p><p> (2/12/02 11:00:11 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> So, when do we tell Edena that we exist?</p><p></p><p> Well, our little conspiracy proceeds. However, the question is</p><p> obvious? When do we tell Edena. He is worried about Zelda. I don't</p><p> think anyone suspects our alliance.</p><p></p><p> Also, Bugbear, do you want to invite Forrester over to these boards.</p><p> The UC of Toril is pretty useful. With their aid, we might be able to</p><p> get Kas and Vecna in the first few minutes. </p><p> The shadow of my former self</p><p> Your friendly neighborhood necromancer</p><p> Posts: 133</p><p> (2/12/02 11:16:42 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> </p><p> Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist?</p><p></p><p> Let's tell him if/when it becomes necessary or prudent to do so</p><p> (translation: I absolutely have no idea about when to tell him ).</p><p> Also, him worrying about Zelda might lead him to help other "weak"</p><p> nations, and that can't be a bad thing, even though I don't want him</p><p> to be worried. </p><p></p><p> And a big "hell, yeah!!!" to getting Forrester in here! </p><p></p><p> "I was known as the chief grave robber of my state." - not by me,</p><p> but easily could be.</p><p> Jand</p><p> Initiate</p><p> Posts: 5</p><p> (2/13/02 1:09:38 am)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist?</p><p></p><p> We tell him when the time for concealment is gone.</p><p></p><p> When we strike as one for the first time.</p><p></p><p> I'm having a lot of fun imagining the shock our emergence as a</p><p> united force will have on the world... Let's make sure that they are</p><p> suprised. Remember people; the wrong word in the wrong place can</p><p> kill! Or ruin my fun, at least. </p><p> William Ronald</p><p> Acoylite</p><p> Posts: 33</p><p> (2/13/02 1:18:40 am)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist?</p><p></p><p> Secrecy from our enemies and potential allies is one thing. However,</p><p> we do not want to risk loosing whatever good will we might have</p><p> with Edena.</p><p></p><p> Do you think we can convince Edena to keep us secret? </p><p> Jand</p><p> Initiate</p><p> Posts: 6</p><p> (2/13/02 1:27:41 am)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist?</p><p></p><p> Right, go ahead an complicate things </p><p></p><p> It looks like Edena is interested in making things back like the old IR,</p><p> where secrecy wasn't so much an issue - I think - and that might be</p><p> a problem for us.</p><p></p><p> However, we do need his approval and frankly, to cheer him up. He</p><p> does seem a little beat down lately, and that's not good for the</p><p> thread, for us, and for him.</p><p></p><p> When you read my answers, be reminded that you do not ask</p><p> questions of elves, for they say both yes and no (Tolkien,</p><p> paraphrased). Remind you of anyone? (me?)</p><p></p><p> It may get annoying... I'll try and give straight answers when asked,</p><p> every once and a while . </p><p> William Ronald</p><p> Acoylite</p><p> Posts: 36</p><p> (2/13/02 2:04:34 am)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist?</p><p></p><p> I see, just for the shock value.</p><p></p><p> Jand</p><p> Initiate</p><p> Posts: 9</p><p> (2/13/02 3:27:56 am)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Very well, then</p><p></p><p> I'll give an answer, and expect you to debate it (which frees me from</p><p> having to do so).</p><p></p><p> Edena will have to know about our alliance on turn 1, in any case.</p><p> And if we need to keep Turrosh Mak secret on turn one, then it</p><p> doesn't matter whether we tell him now or later.</p><p></p><p> Of course, Edena doesn't seem to want people planning before the</p><p> thread... err, am I countering my own view? I'll stop now. </p><p> Bugbear</p><p> Goblin Clown</p><p> Posts: 329</p><p> (2/13/02 6:08:20 am)</p><p> Reply </p><p> </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> Edena will keep the secret, unless he finds it more amussing to let it</p><p> slip, of course. But if no one else suspect us, I don't think he will. </p><p> he kept my secret plotting against Kalynar and Gnomeworks a secret</p><p> in the last thread. </p><p></p><p> As for Forester, More than welcome here </p><p></p><p> Visit The Bugbear's Lair, for RPG discussion. </p><p> Home of the Star Frontiers D20 Conversion.</p><p> Black Omega2000</p><p> Initiate</p><p> Posts: 1</p><p> (2/13/02 6:35:43 am)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> I must be honest, I consider keeping secrets from enemies perfect</p><p> normal. Secrets from friends only when necessary. Secrets from the</p><p> guy pouring his sweat and blood into the game just seem like a bad</p><p> idea. If we can trust anyone, it's him. </p><p> ThayadonFasfoni</p><p> Initiate</p><p> Posts: 5</p><p> (2/13/02 9:18:28 am)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> I agree. Edna should know about it before turn 1. </p><p> Bugbear</p><p> Goblin Clown</p><p> Posts: 332</p><p> (2/13/02 6:17:35 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> Besides, as the GM, he NEEDS to know about it so he can plan</p><p> accordingly.</p><p></p><p> I'm surprised no one's told him yet... </p><p></p><p> Visit The Bugbear's Lair, for RPG discussion. </p><p> Home of the Star Frontiers D20 Conversion.</p><p> Jand</p><p> Initiate</p><p> Posts: 15</p><p> (2/13/02 6:21:20 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> There we go. I'm all out of objections; my indesisive nature has been</p><p> convinced.</p><p></p><p> Let us reveal ourselves. </p><p> ThayadonFasfoni</p><p> Initiate</p><p> Posts: 9</p><p> (2/13/02 7:57:04 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> William Ronald, as starter of the Oerth Alliance I ask you to email</p><p> Edna. In the email could you put in a section saying that I'm giving</p><p> the secrets of the citadels to EVREONE in the Alliance?</p><p> William Ronald</p><p> Acoylite</p><p> Posts: 44</p><p> (2/13/02 8:10:49 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> William here.</p><p></p><p> I will do. I think Edena should know. It will make his life a lot easier.</p><p> Also, can everyone who posts here send a confirming e-mail to</p><p> Edena. He can be reached at <a href="mailto:anora@mediaone.net">anora@mediaone.net</a>.</p><p></p><p> I will try to compose a letter and post it here in an hour or less. Tell</p><p> me what you think.</p><p></p><p> Has anyone head from Alyx.</p><p></p><p> Also, Forrester will try to stop by. </p><p> Bugbear</p><p> Goblin Clown</p><p> Posts: 337</p><p> (2/13/02 8:16:51 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> You may not be able to post, EZboards is doing an upgrade and the</p><p> board will be down for a couple of hours </p><p></p><p> Visit The Bugbear's Lair, for RPG discussion. </p><p> Home of the Star Frontiers D20 Conversion.</p><p> William Ronald</p><p> Acoylite</p><p> Posts: 46</p><p> (2/13/02 8:19:30 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> It figures. How about I e-mail it to you and you share it with</p><p> everyone. Or should I. Contact me at <a href="mailto:williamwronald@aol.com">williamwronald@aol.com</a>. Or</p><p> post after I do to let me know. </p><p> Bugbear</p><p> Goblin Clown</p><p> Posts: 339</p><p> (2/13/02 8:24:41 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> I can do that </p><p></p><p> Visit The Bugbear's Lair, for RPG discussion. </p><p> Home of the Star Frontiers D20 Conversion.</p><p> Jand</p><p> Initiate</p><p> Posts: 16</p><p> (2/13/02 8:24:58 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> Apologies, William;</p><p></p><p> I am Alyx, in the name is his PC. Ruler of Celestial Imperium,</p><p> Varnaith, the Lendores, etc etc.</p><p></p><p> Sorry about the confusion </p><p> William Ronald</p><p> Acoylite</p><p> Posts: 49</p><p> (2/13/02 9:25:42 pm)</p><p> Reply </p><p> Re: Edena and Forester</p><p></p><p> Here is my draft for the letter to Edena. I think all of us should</p><p> approve it before I send it out. (It is a little corny, I am afraid, but</p><p> this is just a quick draft.) Tell me how I should modify it:</p><p></p><p> A CONSPIRACY OF HOPE.</p><p></p><p> Edena, I have a confession to make. I have been keeping a big</p><p> secret, which I ask you to keep until my allies and I announce it.</p><p> Please sit down if you are not doing so.</p><p></p><p> THE OERTH ALLIANCE IS REAL AND READY TO MAKE A STAND.</p><p></p><p> After the old thread collapsed, I started communicating with</p><p> like-minded individuals. People who want their nations and peoples</p><p> in the thread to have self-determination and dignity. My efforts have</p><p> been more successful than I possibly imagined.</p><p></p><p> Here is a list of the members of the Oerth Alliance, an organization</p><p> devoted to the betterment of Oerth and its peoples, preservation of</p><p> land for the fey and the cultures of our world, magical and technical</p><p> progress, and increasing the rights, respect and opportunities for all</p><p> sentient beings.</p><p></p><p> Members list:</p><p></p><p> Alyx</p><p> Black Omega</p><p> Dagger</p><p> Darkness</p><p> Gnomeworks </p><p> Kaboom</p><p> Turrosh Mak</p><p> William Ronald</p><p> Zelda</p><p></p><p> Does the list surprise you? I never thought the little conspiracy I</p><p> proposed would be so successful.</p><p></p><p> We have worked hard to keep ourselves a secret. We have told</p><p> Forrester, as the UC of Toril is an ally of Gnomeworks. (He asked for</p><p> a brief summary of what is going on, as he is busy right now. I wrote</p><p> it as a fictional intelligence report to President Forrester of the UC of</p><p> Toril.) We are working to coordinate our strategy for the thread.</p><p></p><p> You have worked hard to try to make this thread a success. I</p><p> respect your efforts. When I filled in for you, I got a taste of what</p><p> you are doing. All of us appreciate the work that you have put into</p><p> this. As well as the work of Turrosh Mak and Maudlin.</p><p></p><p> So, what does this mean for you? We will have a joint command</p><p> structure. One member can speak for the alliance, just like Mr. Draco</p><p> and Serpenteye can speak for the Dark Union of Eastern Oerth. Our</p><p> points should be pulled together in the various arms races.</p><p></p><p> We have worked on strategies and treaties. We realized it would be</p><p> very easy for us to be picked off one by one. We realized that some</p><p> of the powers on the thread would only have us as slaves. We all</p><p> realized that we can try to have magic, the fey, and technology</p><p> along with more rights and prosperity for all. We realized that a</p><p> changing world often calls for changing perspectives. We were also</p><p> alarmed a bit by the great powers of evil growing so powerful.</p><p> Darkness and I face the threat of the Hellfurnaces Alliance of the</p><p> Forsaken One, Festy Dog, and Kalanyr. Separately, we would be</p><p> destroyed. Together, we have a hope for victory.</p><p></p><p> The Oerth Alliance is a military, political, and economic alliance. It</p><p> resembles in many respects what NATO would be if the political and</p><p> economic parts of the NATO countries were closely tied together. Our</p><p> member nations retain their sovereignty, but we stand as one for</p><p> each other and against our foes.</p><p></p><p> We represent many peoples, cultures and values. We have decided</p><p> to respect each other and learn from each other. On our own Earth,</p><p> there is value in all cultures. The same is likely to be true on Oerth.</p><p> (Okay, so there are major downsides in the illithid culture. But at</p><p> least they are consistent, organized, and place a high value on</p><p> knowledge. Now if they only respected the rights of individuals.)</p><p></p><p> Again, I apologize for springing this on you and keeping it a secret. I</p><p> am well aware of the behind the scenes maneuvers of some of the</p><p> other factions. We ask that you keep us a secret until we reveal</p><p> ourselves. We are also open to more members. (Generally, we don’t</p><p> want anyone getting squished by the big boys.) We are also willing</p><p> to respect the rights of others on the boards, including the right to</p><p> be left alone, if that is their choice.</p><p></p><p> Don’t be surprised if we use a few tricks or appear to squabble. We</p><p> are prepared to use cunning as well as force to protect our world</p><p> and ourselves. 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[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 129485, member: 2020"] I just looked at your page 9. I found the post: Should We Tell Edena? I THINK YOU ALL KNOW VERY WELL HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE BELOW. WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME? WHY DIDN'T YOU LET ME INTO THE FORUM THEN? The Bugbear's Lair > Lurker's Forum > So, when do we tell Edena that we exist? Page 1 2 3 << Prev Topic | Next Topic >> Author Comment William Ronald Initiate Posts: 24 (2/12/02 11:00:11 pm) Reply So, when do we tell Edena that we exist? Well, our little conspiracy proceeds. However, the question is obvious? When do we tell Edena. He is worried about Zelda. I don't think anyone suspects our alliance. Also, Bugbear, do you want to invite Forrester over to these boards. The UC of Toril is pretty useful. With their aid, we might be able to get Kas and Vecna in the first few minutes. The shadow of my former self Your friendly neighborhood necromancer Posts: 133 (2/12/02 11:16:42 pm) Reply Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist? Let's tell him if/when it becomes necessary or prudent to do so (translation: I absolutely have no idea about when to tell him ). Also, him worrying about Zelda might lead him to help other "weak" nations, and that can't be a bad thing, even though I don't want him to be worried. And a big "hell, yeah!!!" to getting Forrester in here! "I was known as the chief grave robber of my state." - not by me, but easily could be. Jand Initiate Posts: 5 (2/13/02 1:09:38 am) Reply Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist? We tell him when the time for concealment is gone. When we strike as one for the first time. I'm having a lot of fun imagining the shock our emergence as a united force will have on the world... Let's make sure that they are suprised. Remember people; the wrong word in the wrong place can kill! Or ruin my fun, at least. William Ronald Acoylite Posts: 33 (2/13/02 1:18:40 am) Reply Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist? Secrecy from our enemies and potential allies is one thing. However, we do not want to risk loosing whatever good will we might have with Edena. Do you think we can convince Edena to keep us secret? Jand Initiate Posts: 6 (2/13/02 1:27:41 am) Reply Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist? Right, go ahead an complicate things It looks like Edena is interested in making things back like the old IR, where secrecy wasn't so much an issue - I think - and that might be a problem for us. However, we do need his approval and frankly, to cheer him up. He does seem a little beat down lately, and that's not good for the thread, for us, and for him. When you read my answers, be reminded that you do not ask questions of elves, for they say both yes and no (Tolkien, paraphrased). Remind you of anyone? (me?) It may get annoying... I'll try and give straight answers when asked, every once and a while . William Ronald Acoylite Posts: 36 (2/13/02 2:04:34 am) Reply Re: So, when do we tell Edena that we exist? I see, just for the shock value. Jand Initiate Posts: 9 (2/13/02 3:27:56 am) Reply Very well, then I'll give an answer, and expect you to debate it (which frees me from having to do so). Edena will have to know about our alliance on turn 1, in any case. And if we need to keep Turrosh Mak secret on turn one, then it doesn't matter whether we tell him now or later. Of course, Edena doesn't seem to want people planning before the thread... err, am I countering my own view? I'll stop now. Bugbear Goblin Clown Posts: 329 (2/13/02 6:08:20 am) Reply Re: Edena and Forester Edena will keep the secret, unless he finds it more amussing to let it slip, of course. But if no one else suspect us, I don't think he will. he kept my secret plotting against Kalynar and Gnomeworks a secret in the last thread. As for Forester, More than welcome here Visit The Bugbear's Lair, for RPG discussion. Home of the Star Frontiers D20 Conversion. Black Omega2000 Initiate Posts: 1 (2/13/02 6:35:43 am) Reply Re: Edena and Forester I must be honest, I consider keeping secrets from enemies perfect normal. Secrets from friends only when necessary. Secrets from the guy pouring his sweat and blood into the game just seem like a bad idea. If we can trust anyone, it's him. ThayadonFasfoni Initiate Posts: 5 (2/13/02 9:18:28 am) Reply Re: Edena and Forester I agree. Edna should know about it before turn 1. Bugbear Goblin Clown Posts: 332 (2/13/02 6:17:35 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester Besides, as the GM, he NEEDS to know about it so he can plan accordingly. I'm surprised no one's told him yet... Visit The Bugbear's Lair, for RPG discussion. Home of the Star Frontiers D20 Conversion. Jand Initiate Posts: 15 (2/13/02 6:21:20 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester There we go. I'm all out of objections; my indesisive nature has been convinced. Let us reveal ourselves. ThayadonFasfoni Initiate Posts: 9 (2/13/02 7:57:04 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester William Ronald, as starter of the Oerth Alliance I ask you to email Edna. In the email could you put in a section saying that I'm giving the secrets of the citadels to EVREONE in the Alliance? William Ronald Acoylite Posts: 44 (2/13/02 8:10:49 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester William here. I will do. I think Edena should know. It will make his life a lot easier. Also, can everyone who posts here send a confirming e-mail to Edena. He can be reached at [email]anora@mediaone.net[/email]. I will try to compose a letter and post it here in an hour or less. Tell me what you think. Has anyone head from Alyx. Also, Forrester will try to stop by. Bugbear Goblin Clown Posts: 337 (2/13/02 8:16:51 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester You may not be able to post, EZboards is doing an upgrade and the board will be down for a couple of hours Visit The Bugbear's Lair, for RPG discussion. Home of the Star Frontiers D20 Conversion. William Ronald Acoylite Posts: 46 (2/13/02 8:19:30 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester It figures. How about I e-mail it to you and you share it with everyone. Or should I. Contact me at [email]williamwronald@aol.com[/email]. Or post after I do to let me know. Bugbear Goblin Clown Posts: 339 (2/13/02 8:24:41 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester I can do that Visit The Bugbear's Lair, for RPG discussion. Home of the Star Frontiers D20 Conversion. Jand Initiate Posts: 16 (2/13/02 8:24:58 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester Apologies, William; I am Alyx, in the name is his PC. Ruler of Celestial Imperium, Varnaith, the Lendores, etc etc. Sorry about the confusion William Ronald Acoylite Posts: 49 (2/13/02 9:25:42 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester Here is my draft for the letter to Edena. I think all of us should approve it before I send it out. (It is a little corny, I am afraid, but this is just a quick draft.) Tell me how I should modify it: A CONSPIRACY OF HOPE. Edena, I have a confession to make. I have been keeping a big secret, which I ask you to keep until my allies and I announce it. Please sit down if you are not doing so. THE OERTH ALLIANCE IS REAL AND READY TO MAKE A STAND. After the old thread collapsed, I started communicating with like-minded individuals. People who want their nations and peoples in the thread to have self-determination and dignity. My efforts have been more successful than I possibly imagined. Here is a list of the members of the Oerth Alliance, an organization devoted to the betterment of Oerth and its peoples, preservation of land for the fey and the cultures of our world, magical and technical progress, and increasing the rights, respect and opportunities for all sentient beings. Members list: Alyx Black Omega Dagger Darkness Gnomeworks Kaboom Turrosh Mak William Ronald Zelda Does the list surprise you? I never thought the little conspiracy I proposed would be so successful. We have worked hard to keep ourselves a secret. We have told Forrester, as the UC of Toril is an ally of Gnomeworks. (He asked for a brief summary of what is going on, as he is busy right now. I wrote it as a fictional intelligence report to President Forrester of the UC of Toril.) We are working to coordinate our strategy for the thread. You have worked hard to try to make this thread a success. I respect your efforts. When I filled in for you, I got a taste of what you are doing. All of us appreciate the work that you have put into this. As well as the work of Turrosh Mak and Maudlin. So, what does this mean for you? We will have a joint command structure. One member can speak for the alliance, just like Mr. Draco and Serpenteye can speak for the Dark Union of Eastern Oerth. Our points should be pulled together in the various arms races. We have worked on strategies and treaties. We realized it would be very easy for us to be picked off one by one. We realized that some of the powers on the thread would only have us as slaves. We all realized that we can try to have magic, the fey, and technology along with more rights and prosperity for all. We realized that a changing world often calls for changing perspectives. We were also alarmed a bit by the great powers of evil growing so powerful. Darkness and I face the threat of the Hellfurnaces Alliance of the Forsaken One, Festy Dog, and Kalanyr. Separately, we would be destroyed. Together, we have a hope for victory. The Oerth Alliance is a military, political, and economic alliance. It resembles in many respects what NATO would be if the political and economic parts of the NATO countries were closely tied together. Our member nations retain their sovereignty, but we stand as one for each other and against our foes. We represent many peoples, cultures and values. We have decided to respect each other and learn from each other. On our own Earth, there is value in all cultures. The same is likely to be true on Oerth. (Okay, so there are major downsides in the illithid culture. But at least they are consistent, organized, and place a high value on knowledge. Now if they only respected the rights of individuals.) Again, I apologize for springing this on you and keeping it a secret. I am well aware of the behind the scenes maneuvers of some of the other factions. We ask that you keep us a secret until we reveal ourselves. We are also open to more members. (Generally, we don’t want anyone getting squished by the big boys.) We are also willing to respect the rights of others on the boards, including the right to be left alone, if that is their choice. Don’t be surprised if we use a few tricks or appear to squabble. We are prepared to use cunning as well as force to protect our world and ourselves. Indeed, you may find some of the tricks we plan to pull quite amusing. We realized that the World of Greyhawk is a pretty gritty setting. We are prepared to be smart and tough. We hope to be at least as successful as the Allies during World War II. Let those who think that only the forces of evil are strong learn that good guys can be far tougher than they imagined. You can also post to our forums at this address. Register yourself and create a personal password at The Bugbear’s Lair, pub80.ezboard.com/bthebugboards. Then go to the Lurker’s Forum. You will be prompted for a password. The password is Eastman. Bugbear Goblin Clown Posts: 342 (2/13/02 10:06:41 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester Looks good to me Visit The Bugbear's Lair, for RPG discussion. Home of the Star Frontiers D20 Conversion. Jand Initiate Posts: 17 (2/13/02 10:15:48 pm) Reply Re: Edena and Forester I like it, I like it... 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