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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 1992012" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p>Well now ...</p><p></p><p> The good drow (the last time I will use that terminology) just want to be called elves. Elves, period. Nothing else. Just: elves.</p><p></p><p> The Dark Drow wish to be called drow. When they wish you to talk to them at all.</p><p></p><p> The Elves of Aliador are more lofty, more noble, than the elves of the Flanaess are depicted as being. That is why they can integrate with the incoming, black-skinned elves.</p><p></p><p> I could make the elves of Celene and the Lendores noble and lofty. This is an IR.</p><p> However, I feel ...</p><p> I feel they corrupted the elves in the first place, when they made them into such a bigoted, elitist, and unfriendly people. (And it's worse in Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms. It's much, much worse in Dark Sun and Birthright.)</p><p> If they must insist on corrupting the elves, who are I to uncorrupt them?</p><p></p><p> These corrupted elves will find out the hard way that they are in no position to be elitist or snotty.</p><p> They are not a mighty military power that dictates to others, like the Suel Imperium (which was elitist and snotty, and worse.)</p><p> They are not great wizards to rule the minds of others, as the Suel Imperium was.</p><p> Their clerics are not great clerics, like the clerics of the ancient Baklunish Empire.</p><p> Their numbers are not great, like those of Humankind.</p><p> They have no special abilities, like the Illithid.</p><p> They have no special sanctuary, like the Drow did.</p><p></p><p> No, they are a bunch of snotty elitists living in the past, under the delusion that somehow physical isolation in forests and on islands will protect them from all these lesser races.</p><p> These are the elves that make for Forresters and Forresters' cheerleaders.</p><p></p><p> If the elves are depicted as not being willing to change, not budgable, stuck in their ways to the point of insanity, who am I to change them?</p><p></p><p> They will just have to learn the hard way (as everyone in IRs learns the hard way) that things in game reality don't conform to their narrow perspections of the world.</p><p></p><p> The Drow have already made this hurdle, and paid a dear price for making it. </p><p> The Drow, have learned to adapt, and will be stronger for it. The IR will bring out the best in them, these elves reborn.</p><p></p><p> But the Elves of the Lendores and Celene will not get a free ride, anymore than the Drow got a free ride.</p><p> What have they done, to deserve it?</p><p></p><p> At least, this is my interpretation, as a player.</p><p> Eclavdra said, while she yet lived: Nothing is free. And indeed the Drow are paying a very high price to return to the Light and the Surface World.</p><p> The Elves of the Lendores and Celene, stuck in the past and in their narrow world, won't get preferential treatment from me. If they are to better themselves, they'll just have to work at it like everyone else.</p><p></p><p> And even Aliador is finding out that War is not the nice, chivalrous, Good affair that some tales make it out to be.</p><p> The price of victory is costly. The price of survival, is costly. The price might be very high indeed. The price includes suffering, agonizing pain, deaths, trauma, destruction of home and land, and other such things ... and it could include further costs.</p><p> For War is about winning. At ANY cost. Failure to win in a war against mortal enemies like the Illithid means death for all the elves. And the Illithid ARE willing to pay any price, whatever price it takes to win.</p><p> So for some elves, the price could be their very souls. It isn't nice, it isn't right, it isn't fair, and it isn't pleasant. But it is. It is war. And the elves of Aliador are having to face this fact.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 1992012, member: 2020"] Well now ... The good drow (the last time I will use that terminology) just want to be called elves. Elves, period. Nothing else. Just: elves. The Dark Drow wish to be called drow. When they wish you to talk to them at all. The Elves of Aliador are more lofty, more noble, than the elves of the Flanaess are depicted as being. That is why they can integrate with the incoming, black-skinned elves. I could make the elves of Celene and the Lendores noble and lofty. This is an IR. However, I feel ... I feel they corrupted the elves in the first place, when they made them into such a bigoted, elitist, and unfriendly people. (And it's worse in Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms. It's much, much worse in Dark Sun and Birthright.) If they must insist on corrupting the elves, who are I to uncorrupt them? These corrupted elves will find out the hard way that they are in no position to be elitist or snotty. They are not a mighty military power that dictates to others, like the Suel Imperium (which was elitist and snotty, and worse.) They are not great wizards to rule the minds of others, as the Suel Imperium was. Their clerics are not great clerics, like the clerics of the ancient Baklunish Empire. Their numbers are not great, like those of Humankind. They have no special abilities, like the Illithid. They have no special sanctuary, like the Drow did. No, they are a bunch of snotty elitists living in the past, under the delusion that somehow physical isolation in forests and on islands will protect them from all these lesser races. These are the elves that make for Forresters and Forresters' cheerleaders. If the elves are depicted as not being willing to change, not budgable, stuck in their ways to the point of insanity, who am I to change them? They will just have to learn the hard way (as everyone in IRs learns the hard way) that things in game reality don't conform to their narrow perspections of the world. The Drow have already made this hurdle, and paid a dear price for making it. The Drow, have learned to adapt, and will be stronger for it. The IR will bring out the best in them, these elves reborn. But the Elves of the Lendores and Celene will not get a free ride, anymore than the Drow got a free ride. What have they done, to deserve it? At least, this is my interpretation, as a player. Eclavdra said, while she yet lived: Nothing is free. And indeed the Drow are paying a very high price to return to the Light and the Surface World. The Elves of the Lendores and Celene, stuck in the past and in their narrow world, won't get preferential treatment from me. If they are to better themselves, they'll just have to work at it like everyone else. And even Aliador is finding out that War is not the nice, chivalrous, Good affair that some tales make it out to be. The price of victory is costly. The price of survival, is costly. The price might be very high indeed. The price includes suffering, agonizing pain, deaths, trauma, destruction of home and land, and other such things ... and it could include further costs. For War is about winning. At ANY cost. Failure to win in a war against mortal enemies like the Illithid means death for all the elves. And the Illithid ARE willing to pay any price, whatever price it takes to win. So for some elves, the price could be their very souls. It isn't nice, it isn't right, it isn't fair, and it isn't pleasant. But it is. It is war. And the elves of Aliador are having to face this fact. [/QUOTE]
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