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<blockquote data-quote="William Ronald" data-source="post: 1992917" data-attributes="member: 426"><p>Well, I think some of us will end up engaging the elves in diplomacy. The elves of Celene, and I believe in D&D in general, have been made a bit of an error in the depiction of the elves. Indeed, the beings which the elves are based on (such as the sidhe of Celtic mythology) are shown as often being quite changeable.</p><p></p><p>So, perhaps the elves of Celene and the Lendores will be slow to change. I would argue that it might be interesting for Kalanyr and yourself to try to challenge the stereotype that has permeated the D&D image of elvenkind. (Perhaps whoever runs the League of Athyr may want to chime in as well. Celene is now part of the League of Athyr.) So, perhaps it will be possible for them to change. You will have to decide as well as Serpenteye. (The DM ultimately decides how populations take things. Mind you, there is some tension inside Celene in canon Greyhawk between the isolationists -- Queen Yolande leading them -- and the internationalists -- led by Prince Melf Brightflame, who has ties to many people and knightly orders in different lands.) I imagine the fact that the elves of Miranda, the elves of Greyspace, the eladrin under Morwel, a Baklunish demigod, and Hachiman aided Ellistrae and a branch of the elves many considered corrupt may be setting up a hot debate in Celene and the Lendore Isles.</p><p></p><p>Still, I think that those two cultures are perhaps somewhat reluctant to change. However, even the most stubborn human cultures have decided to change in the wake of new realities. Perhaps a good model for Celene and the Lendore Isles might be Japan in the 1850s.</p><p></p><p>As for Gallador's plan, Melkor, it seems sound to me. A good question is whether there are some existing rivalries that we can perhaps take benefit of in this war. Possibly, some of Lord Gallador's forces can disguise themselves as members of one undead faction on Gnibile, attack another with a history of great rivalry, and bring both to war with each other. (You might have to move fast to eliminate the leaders of both factions, so that the second-in-commands of each side believe that the other has launched a first strike.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="William Ronald, post: 1992917, member: 426"] Well, I think some of us will end up engaging the elves in diplomacy. The elves of Celene, and I believe in D&D in general, have been made a bit of an error in the depiction of the elves. Indeed, the beings which the elves are based on (such as the sidhe of Celtic mythology) are shown as often being quite changeable. So, perhaps the elves of Celene and the Lendores will be slow to change. I would argue that it might be interesting for Kalanyr and yourself to try to challenge the stereotype that has permeated the D&D image of elvenkind. (Perhaps whoever runs the League of Athyr may want to chime in as well. Celene is now part of the League of Athyr.) So, perhaps it will be possible for them to change. You will have to decide as well as Serpenteye. (The DM ultimately decides how populations take things. Mind you, there is some tension inside Celene in canon Greyhawk between the isolationists -- Queen Yolande leading them -- and the internationalists -- led by Prince Melf Brightflame, who has ties to many people and knightly orders in different lands.) I imagine the fact that the elves of Miranda, the elves of Greyspace, the eladrin under Morwel, a Baklunish demigod, and Hachiman aided Ellistrae and a branch of the elves many considered corrupt may be setting up a hot debate in Celene and the Lendore Isles. Still, I think that those two cultures are perhaps somewhat reluctant to change. However, even the most stubborn human cultures have decided to change in the wake of new realities. Perhaps a good model for Celene and the Lendore Isles might be Japan in the 1850s. As for Gallador's plan, Melkor, it seems sound to me. A good question is whether there are some existing rivalries that we can perhaps take benefit of in this war. Possibly, some of Lord Gallador's forces can disguise themselves as members of one undead faction on Gnibile, attack another with a history of great rivalry, and bring both to war with each other. (You might have to move fast to eliminate the leaders of both factions, so that the second-in-commands of each side believe that the other has launched a first strike.) [/QUOTE]
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