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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 1302673" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p><strong>(Post 8) Thread One of the 1st IR</strong></p><p></p><p>Estlor</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 01:47 PM </p><p></p><p> Ah, but Forrester, Edena's comments don't apply to a group of gnomes, dwarves, AND elves.</p><p></p><p> Gnomes supply the brains.</p><p> Dwarves supply the know-how.</p><p> Elves supply the magic.</p><p></p><p> That, my friend, is a dangerous combination.</p><p></p><p> As for the Dragon Overlords, if you want to abandon your armies to come to Krynn with me to talk to them,</p><p> so be it - but who will lead in your stead? I'd be more than willing to delay the meeting with the Overlords for</p><p> some one-on-one humanoid to elven bard/bladesinger competition </p><p></p><p> *evil grin*</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> The Lighthouse Webmaster</p><p> "More conversions, less talk."</p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 01:52 PM </p><p></p><p> Dregeth (The Burned Man) -- we welcome you! Will you help us beat back the elven and faerae menace?! </p><p></p><p> If you don't mind, we'd like to see what we can do with your Defiler Magic, when combined with our</p><p> technology.</p><p></p><p> Edena -- let me know when we've got poison gas, germ warfare, and/or the A-bomb .</p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p> Enjoying The Moment (While It Lasts?)</p><p></p><p> You know, it occurs to me that there's only two people on the side of the stupid elves/fae, and a bunch on</p><p> the side of the technomancy. That should count for somethin'. </p><p></p><p></p><p> Edit: ESTLOR: Last time I checked, the elves didn't LIKE technomagic. Remember the big war and stuff they</p><p> started? And now they're going to be eager participants? And I can send a rep to talk to the Dragonlords. I</p><p> wouldn't be surprised if they took the heads of those they disagreed with.</p><p></p><p> So you're going in person, eh? Hmmm. </p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Forrester (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p> Estlor</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 01:58 PM </p><p></p><p> If you check back, the issues the elves had were about it defiling nature. If the oversee it, as was the PC</p><p> Estlor's ultimate goal, a common ground could be found such that environmentally-friendly non-defiling</p><p> technology could be created. Besides, if you check a few posts back, I stated the gnomes and dwarves, while</p><p> under my command, went about creating techno-defenses that were fer more advanced than anything yet</p><p> built.</p><p></p><p> Your puny guns can't hurt what they can't hit.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> The Lighthouse Webmaster</p><p> "More conversions, less talk."</p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:05 PM </p><p></p><p> Hah! I read your post that said the gnomes/dwarves would TRY to build better techno-defenses than</p><p> anything ever built. </p><p></p><p> How they could do that so quickly and easily is another question, as both sides *just* entered the war.</p><p></p><p> So you're working on techno-defenses, though? Great. Because right now your minions are on the *attack*.</p><p> Build all of the wonderful fortifications you want (though I still think it'll take a little while for you to match us</p><p> -- we have a big jump on you, *and* greater numbers). That's not going to help you retake elven lost</p><p> ground. </p><p></p><p> And you don't speak for the elves or dwarves (or gnomes?) anyway, Estlor. You speak for the Faerie folk.</p><p> Gettin' too big for your britches, Mister Man . </p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Forrester (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p> Estlor</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:12 PM </p><p></p><p> Never said I was speaking for anyone (yet) </p><p></p><p> The only person I speak for is myself. And you know something, isn't it always the lone party of PCs that</p><p> defies the odds and wins the war?</p><p></p><p> Assuming I survive my confrontation with the Dragon Overlords, I fully know where I'll go and who I'll seek</p><p> to bring some order to the chaos.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> The Lighthouse Webmaster</p><p> "More conversions, less talk."</p><p></p><p> Bran Blackbyrd</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:16 PM </p><p></p><p> I'll gladly join my Druidic forces with that of Estlor and the Faerie Folk, in truth we have always been one</p><p> force working for the same cause. I'm just another footsoldier for Nature and peace.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Jason "Warlocke" Lewis</p><p> ----------------------</p><p> DM: You see there are orcs camped out in the chasm ahead of you.</p><p> Me: Do they have multiple Orc-Chasms?</p><p> Warlocke's Realm</p><p></p><p> The Burned Man</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:19 PM </p><p></p><p> Yes. I and my minions will aid you, Forrester...</p><p></p><p> Allow me to assume controll of one of your mayor strongholds and I will start working on it. We should</p><p> recreate a better Planar Gate from Toril. </p><p></p><p> The Athasians will flock at the chance to enter this world. You will find our magic much easier to learn, and it</p><p> has only slight side-effects.</p><p></p><p> Estlor</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:19 PM </p><p></p><p> Well Bran, my plan is this - it's called, "Lesser of Two evils." I'd say the humanoids and their devil allies are</p><p> the greater threat, meaning a temporary alliance with the elves is at hand while I try to stop the Dragon</p><p> Overlords.</p><p></p><p> After that, well, if I'm still alive in this game I'm going to try and bring back some big help.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> The Lighthouse Webmaster</p><p> "More conversions, less talk."</p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:26 PM </p><p></p><p> Accursed druids. We'll dance on your groves.</p><p></p><p> Forrester signing off until at least 7PM EST. That's a little less than 4 hours from now. </p><p></p><p> As has been said before, don't destroy the multiverse while I'm gone. </p><p></p><p> Edena -- I confess I don't know enough about FR or Greyhawk to know who to go to for help. But with all of</p><p> my resources (especially the devils), my character would. </p><p> Somebody said something about Iuz's humanoid minions before, from Oerth (correct?) . . . perhaps he'd be</p><p> interested in giving us a hand. </p><p></p><p> Oh. The Evil Giants haven't been invited into the fray yet -- nor the Beholders or other underworldly</p><p> abberations. While they aren't exactly going to be forward troops, I will certainly invite them to be on my</p><p> side. Some have to be skittish about the Illithid, after all -- an alliance would do them good. </p><p></p><p> Hmmm. Orcs carry rifles . . . I wonder what Ogres and Giants carry? Cannons? Heh heh heh. </p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p> Ah'll Be Bahck. </p><p></p><p> Alzem Dalcama</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:37 PM </p><p></p><p> Ahh now it is time for the greates of all the armies to enter the frey, The Solars. During this time in the world</p><p> the Vast angelic host has begun to fear for all the people of the world, not because of the technology, that</p><p> is not a problem. It is the enterance of Devils and Deamons back into the war that we believe will caust this</p><p> plane to slip into the nether regions (Torment) We come here not to stop the fighting through talks and</p><p> peace, but through action. We will come to this plane on the magical Island of Nuriel(sp) and from there</p><p> begin our pasification of all the lands. We do not care who fights aghainst us our goal is not to stop the war</p><p> for going on but only to stop the devils and deamons from taking thi plane. We will send diplomats to the</p><p> elven nations and ask them to halt their association with the deamons, and ally themselves with us and we</p><p> will coe to their aid, but NOT to destroy the technomancy but to destroy the devils who are allied with</p><p> forrester and the rouge deamons. We will also ask the fairie folk and the druids to assist us in our rightious</p><p> cause and offer them our help and protection aghainst those who are allied with the forces of darkness. We</p><p> will also send a representive to the dwarven nation asking them to reconsider breaking their alliance with the</p><p> fairie folk and join us in the purification of the lands.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Cleric of St. Cuthbert "I?m about to drop the hammer, and dispense some indiscriminate justice!"</p><p></p><p> buzzard</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:39 PM </p><p></p><p> After us "corrupt humans" have heard of this slander, we decide that it's time to stop with the fig leaves. We</p><p> offered truce. We didn't start this war. We merely called on avialable allies when we were in dire straights.</p><p> We've had enough. Technical schools are set up to train the humanoids in all aspects of the technology. </p><p></p><p> We work hard on advanced breechloading artillery, repeating rifles, gatling guns (maybe moving up to</p><p> Maxim level guns eventually, give it time) and mines. In the face of this firepower and proper fortifications</p><p> (trenches, star type forts, pallisades, and barbed wire), the barbarian threat is no threat. Merely wheat to be</p><p> mowed down. They will charge in the defenses, the barbed wire will bog them down and they will die. This</p><p> isn't even a shadow of a fair fight. Remeber Custer slew many times his number before he went down and</p><p> he had inferior weapons to our cause, and no fortifications. </p><p></p><p> As for the Gnomes, I'm amazed they would ally themselves with those who started this mess. I'm rather</p><p> leery of the Devils, and I will keep the Illithid suggestions under consideration. Factories will be moved</p><p> underground as per the suggestions of the humanoids. I'm also going to consult with clerics of Gond about</p><p> magicking up some Sharps rifles of Dragon Slaying (+5 Major slaying). </p><p></p><p> Buzzard</p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:42 PM </p><p></p><p> The elves EAGERLY accept the alliance of the Faerie Folk!!</p><p></p><p> The new alliance, the Elven / Faerie Alliance, has a Power Rating of 15.</p><p></p><p> However, the massive devil army that has come into Toril to help the Technomancy Confederation has</p><p> pushed them up also, and they now stand at Power Rating 12.</p><p></p><p> The Demons running amok and attacking everything and everyone in sight have a power rating of 4.</p><p></p><p> The druid alliance led by Bran has increased greatly in power, and is up to a Power Rating of 5.</p><p></p><p> The Tuigan horde has not allied with the dwarves, gnomes, or kender (especially not the kender ...) but</p><p> their combined strength is a Power Rating of 6.</p><p></p><p> The person (I forget his name) who walked in out of Athas with an army of defilers (I think everyone should</p><p> take note of this new threat!) has a Power Rating of 2, but the defilers are looking at Toril and saying:</p><p> hmmm ... look at all that VEGETATION we can use up for our spells!</p><p></p><p> The war in the heavens continues, with the Elven Imperial Navy of Realmspace locked in mortal combat with</p><p> the Scro Navy. Hundreds of wrecked spelljammer ships are crashing down onto Toril.</p><p></p><p> The Illthid remain at Power Level 10, and are entrenched.</p><p></p><p> The Technomancy has the Githyanki, Githzerai, Scro, evil creatures of the sea including the Sahuagin, many</p><p> of the evil dragons, the devils, and massive help from Zakhara.</p><p></p><p> The Elven / Faerie Alliance has most of the remaining dragons, and is in an unofficial alliance with the</p><p> dwarves, gnomes, and kender (and kender are now running around Evermeet, by the way)</p><p></p><p> The Tuigan Horde has been joined by elements out of Kara-Tur.</p><p></p><p> There are so many sides, and so much confusion, and so many opportunists coming in from other worlds,</p><p> other Crystal Spheres, and other Planes, that nobody is sure who is allied with who (including ME.)</p><p></p><p> Zouron continues to amass his army of undead (now Power Level 2) and he has joined nobody.</p><p></p><p> The Planeswalkers have grown greatly, and they are at Power Level 2.</p><p></p><p> The single biggest arms race in the history of Toril is in progress.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> LazyDM</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:45 PM </p><p></p><p> Time for me to step in.</p><p></p><p> I'm the spokesman for one of the more powerful factions that has yet to reveal itself...until now.</p><p></p><p> So many people crowded together behind their impenetrable walls. Cleanliness probably isn't the first thing</p><p> on their minds. Add to that the fact magic has been messed around with so much it was only a matter of</p><p> time before yet another consequence of the Month of Terror appeared.</p><p></p><p> I speak for the plagues, the sicknesses, and the afflictions that rise up in the supposed sanctuaries.</p><p> Resistant to magical cures and a mystery to the ignorant populace these highly communicable, nearly</p><p> always fatal diseases crop up without regard for sides.</p><p></p><p> Question is, who should they target?</p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:52 PM </p><p></p><p> Ok, two NEW developments.</p><p></p><p> An army of angels has descended on Toril, and they are attacking the demons and devils (and anyone who</p><p> stands with them)</p><p> This army is Power Level 7.</p><p></p><p> Burned Man leads his army of defilers into Toril, and with their aid, the Technomancy jumps to Power Level</p><p> 13.</p><p></p><p> Unfortunately, the use of Defiler magic starts eradicating vegetation and water permanently ...</p><p></p><p> Many clerics prophesy the end of Toril if defiling magic continues to be allowed.</p><p></p><p> The Technomancy has now reached the technology level of the French and Germans at the height of World</p><p> War One.</p><p> The combustion engine has been invented.</p><p> The first aircraft has been launched.</p><p> Electricity is now widely used (although only for military applications - there hasn't been time for anything</p><p> else)</p><p> The Technomancy now has the ability to mass produce very fine firearms and machine guns, along with</p><p> artillery and mortars, and high explosives.</p><p></p><p> However ...</p><p></p><p> The gnomes are also advanced technologically, and they are working with the dwarves furiously to educate</p><p> them on building weapons of war.</p><p> Dwarves are fast learners, and they are very good at building things.</p><p> So, although the dwarves and gnomes are still playing catch up, they are catching up fast.</p><p></p><p> A number of kender have gotten into the explosives research labs. The result has been invariably</p><p> disastrous.</p><p></p><p> The Chosen of Mystra are personally attacking the defilers from Athas, hunting them down one by one and</p><p> killing them.</p><p> No quarter is given, and no surrenders accepted.</p><p> But the Chosen do send this message to the defilers of Athas: leave Toril now, do not ever return, or face</p><p> immediate destruction.</p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:52 PM </p><p></p><p> Solars Schmolars! </p><p></p><p> Sheesh. After I walk my dog I'll log in under a different username and say that I'm entering the fray on the</p><p> side of God. </p><p></p><p> Seriously, Solars aren't an independent force -- they report to their gods. </p><p></p><p> If this is the case, may I suggest that we let Edena decide when the Gods Themselves enter the war?</p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p> Who is *really* leaving now . . . </p><p> And who thinks the Technomancy is getting hosed here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 02:56 PM </p><p></p><p> Actually, the Gods have been quite good about not getting involved.</p><p> Nor will they get involved.</p><p></p><p> Pretty much all the angels, demons, and devils that can enter the war, have entered the war.</p><p> Toril is now swarming with hundreds of thousands of minor demons and devils, thousands of major ones,</p><p> and thousands of angels come to fight them.</p><p></p><p> Alzem Dalcama</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:04 PM </p><p></p><p> Ahh but forrester we are not here to join in the war on one side or the other. We are here solely to save the</p><p> world for slipping into one of the nether regions by removing the influence of the demons and the devils</p><p> from the realms. Sheesh since they got involved we want to know when the a-bomb will be invented to use</p><p> on our foes, not if that is not a reason for the gods to get involved for the express purpose of ridding this</p><p> evil influence then what is? As I said we are not here it defeat any of the armies of man, but to destroy</p><p> those things that do not belong here ( Edena_of_Neith I am not to familiar with the defilers if they were to fit</p><p> with the devils and demons offer assistance to the chosen as this means Mystra is directly opposed to</p><p> them.) As for the diseases that are soon to ravage the world we will do nothing to stop this as this was</p><p> caused by mankind's folly. We will also start setting up a neutral zone where anyone can come and stay in</p><p> peace until this war is over.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Cleric of St. Cuthbert "I?m about to drop the hammer, and dispense some indiscriminate justice!"</p><p></p><p> Phasmus</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:07 PM </p><p></p><p> Disease brings havoc and suffering to the war-torn surface dwellers...</p><p> Good show LazyDM!</p><p></p><p> The Illithid are entering a golden age, so to speak. Growing increasingly indifferent to the events above, the</p><p> MindFlayers are content to concentrate on their own betterment while the thrall-races of the surface destroy</p><p> themselves. With their recently obtained massive quantities of arcane power, old taboos against MindFlayer</p><p> magery rapidly disappear. Although they will never be as plentiful as the psions, MindFlayer wizards and</p><p> sorcerers are now fairly common. Uninterrupted by conflict, the great scientific minds of the Illithid are able</p><p> to concentrate on the production of the most advanced technology-psionic-magic hybrid machinery and</p><p> equipment ever known. There are periodic expansions within the underdark... the already decimated drow,</p><p> the Ku'Toa and many other underdark races are enslaved... their portions of the underworld cut off from the</p><p> surface like all the rest.</p><p></p><p> The MindFlayers begin to experience something many in their race never have the good fortune to feel...</p><p> contentment.</p><p> The alignment of the greater MindFlayer population on Toril begins to shift, very slowly, from evil to neutral.</p><p> Of course their thralls-keeping practices and their diet could never allow much more than that...</p><p></p><p> Other worlds, far removed from Toril, note surges in the power and activity of native Illithid, as the</p><p> MindFlayers of Toril distribute their marvels of arcane and psionic enhanced technology to their distant kin...</p><p></p><p></p><p> Regards,</p><p></p><p> Phasmus & Co.</p><p></p><p> "Everything I need to know in life I learned from killing smart people and eating their brains."</p><p></p><p> LazyDM</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:07 PM </p><p></p><p> Botulism strikes the humanoid foodstuffs.</p><p></p><p> Blackrot Fever decimates Waterdeep and its Undermountain refugee population.</p><p></p><p> Estlor</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:07 PM </p><p></p><p> Well, since Edena never said I was dead, nor said the Dragon Overlords attacked, I guess I managed to</p><p> convince them that Toril isn't worth the effort.</p><p></p><p> As such, seeing the only way to end the war is with something so decisive that no side can stand up to it, I</p><p> go looking for the one person that can possibly bring order to chaos. Someone who obviously is out</p><p> wandering the planes right now to let things get this bad. Someone who, as much as I hate to bring him into</p><p> it, is necessary at this time.</p><p></p><p> I go search the planes, find this person, and tell him of all the details of things that has happened.</p><p> Including the birth of technology, start of the war, messing with the weave, so on and so forth.</p><p></p><p> Ladies and gentlemen, I come home with....</p><p></p><p> Eleminster.</p><p></p><p> And boy is he upset.</p><p></p><p></p><p> EDIT: Notice Mini isn't a god, nor is he able to strike everyone down at once. But he's sure good at looking</p><p> threatening </p><p> ------------------</p><p> The Lighthouse Webmaster</p><p> "More conversions, less talk."</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Estlor (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p> The Burned Man</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:11 PM </p><p></p><p> Remember that the Athasians also possess very potent psionics...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Mr. Draco</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:14 PM </p><p></p><p> Hah, weaklings, there is yet time to save yourself.</p><p> I, Admiral Draco of the New Republic Navy, has come to your planet at the request of Jedi Master Skywalker,</p><p> (who, by the way, learned of the conflict from the psionists, aka Jedi). My fleet of 500 Mon Clamarian Star</p><p> Cruisers will wipe out any hostile forces. Lead by myself and Jedi Master Skywalker's group of Jedi, onboard</p><p> the recovered Super Star Destroyer Lusankya, nothing that stands and fights will survive. For we come with</p><p> the might of a galaxy backing us, and with the faith that the force is with us.</p><p></p><p> I say again, join us, or perish.</p><p></p><p> P.S. Your spells will not get through our shields, neither will your low-technology guns.</p><p></p><p> P.P.S. A notice to all psionists, *ahem* jedi, stand tall against all who oppose you, as soon as you have a</p><p> chance, contact Master Skywalker with your position and status, so that we may send teams to assist.</p><p></p><p> The Burned Man</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:16 PM </p><p></p><p> Forrester, </p><p></p><p> ...I Dregoth can grant those who follow me clerical magic, those worthy will be allowed to become my</p><p> templars. Allow your people to worship me for I care for your kind...</p><p></p><p> ...My servants will teach your follower the power of the Will and the Way (psionics)...</p><p></p><p> ...and the power of athasian magic...</p><p></p><p> ...worship me and I will do this for you...</p><p></p><p> *Dregoth starts researching a very special psionic enchantment (+10 level spell)...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Estlor</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:18 PM </p><p></p><p> I'd like to point out that Eleminster and I are not on anyone's side at this time.</p><p></p><p> The side we are on is the side that demands a stop to the war. The side that stands up for the good over</p><p> the evil. And the side that isn't concerned with who is right or wrong, just who is willing to take a step to end</p><p> the insanity.</p><p></p><p> As such, we invite anyone that is not evil and wants to see an end to the war to join us, otherwise, well,</p><p> Eleminster and I will end up making targeted strikes </p><p></p><p> We'll stop the war one city at a time, if only by destroying the implements of war.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> The Lighthouse Webmaster</p><p> "More conversions, less talk."</p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:18 PM </p><p></p><p> Alzem, where exactly do you set up the Neutral Zone?</p><p> What country? What continent?</p><p></p><p> The defilers are a special kind of mage.</p><p> They advance at TWICE the rate of normal mages, in experience point terms.</p><p></p><p> But every time they cast a spell, it kills plant life in the immediate vicinity.</p><p> The higher level the spell, the more plant life it kills.</p><p> The high level spells of the Defilers also kill animals, and cause agonizing pain to humans and</p><p> demi-humans.</p><p> The 10th level psionic enchantments, kill humans and demi-humans.</p><p></p><p> These spells also destroy water.</p><p></p><p> Defiling magic is the reason Athas is a burned wasteland, ruined and waterless.</p><p></p><p> The Chosen of Mystra continue to kill every Defiler they find, without mercy or remorse, and they will not</p><p> stop until the last Defiler is driven from the world.</p><p></p><p> If the Technomancy sides with the Defilers, the Chosen themselves can be beaten back, and possibly killed.</p><p></p><p> That decision, rests with the Technomancy.</p><p></p><p> The Elven / Faerie / Angelic Alliance has a Power Level of 20.</p><p> This is primarily because most of the dragons and an army of angels is on their side, but they also have all</p><p> the faerie, and they have all the elves, and the dwarves, the gnomes, and the halflings (and the kender ...)</p><p> The also have a large host of Outsiders from Arvandor, allies of the Faerie.</p><p></p><p> But the Technomancy is up to a Power Level of 16, for they have hordes of help from assorted humanoids,</p><p> githyanki, githzerai, scro, devils, evil dragons, evil sea creatures, a lot of allies from Athas including defilers,</p><p> and a lot of other allies.</p><p> The help from Burned Man meant a big difference.</p><p> And Zakhara continues to send massive help.</p><p></p><p> The demons are on neither side, as previously stated, but instead attack everyone. They are Power Level 5</p><p> now.</p><p></p><p> Bran's Druidical Alliance is up to Power Level 6.</p><p></p><p> Zouron's undecided force of undead remains at Power Level 2.</p><p></p><p> The Tuigan Horde is defeated. They would not have a chance now against the Technomancy.</p><p> They fall back to the Hordelands, leaving thousands of their fellows dead on the field.</p><p> They fall back, only to find the demons attacking them also (the demons aren't discriminating)</p><p></p><p> The Illithid are up to Power Level 11, and their defenses are stronger now, for they've had about a full year</p><p> to work on them.</p><p></p><p> There is massive war and destruction across the entire world of Toril, as the angels and demons battle it</p><p> out.</p><p> How much damage the Technomancy takes depends on how much they support their devil allies.</p><p> Both sides are, of course, losing thousands killed, thousands wounded and dispelled.</p><p></p><p> I am assuming Bran's druids and the elves aid the angels.</p><p> Kara-Tur also fights on their side.</p><p> Zakhara is glad for their help, for demons are assailing them also. However, Zakhara remains allied with the</p><p> Technomancy, despite their alliance with the devils.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> This topic is 16 pages</p><p> long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 </p><p></p><p> All times are Central Time (US)</p><p> This is an ARCHIVED topic. You may not reply to it!</p><p> Hop to: </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Contact Us | D&D 3rd Edition News </p><p></p><p></p><p> Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47b</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> Note: This is an archived topic. It is read-only.</p><p> D&D 3rd Edition News Board </p><p> Other Archived Stuff </p><p> What would your PCs do if gnomes invented the Industrial Revolution? (Page 12) </p><p></p><p> UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! </p><p></p><p> profile | register | preferences | faq | search </p><p></p><p></p><p> This topic is 16 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 </p><p> This topic was originally posted in this forum: General RPG Discussion</p><p></p><p> Author </p><p> Topic: What would your PCs do if gnomes invented the Industrial Revolution? </p><p> Estlor</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:21 PM </p><p></p><p> Signing off for now.</p><p></p><p> However, for those that do not join together to stop the war, the two of us will target not them, but their</p><p> resources, weapons, and supplies so as to remove their ability to fight.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> The Lighthouse Webmaster</p><p> "More conversions, less talk."</p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:22 PM </p><p></p><p></p><p> Disallowed.</p><p></p><p> It is not possible for the Rebel Alliance to get involved in this mess. </p><p> Or the Empire.</p><p></p><p> Phasmus is correct. The illithid are entering a golden age.</p><p> With their phaerimm slaves and the captured artifacts, they are making centuries of magical progress in</p><p> only a few years.</p><p> Because nobody is attacking them (the few Gith companies that tried could not reach them) the have</p><p> multiplied and expanded as stated.</p><p></p><p> They increase to Power Level 12.</p><p> They also are leaning towards neutrality now, and are considerably less evil (as stated by Phasmus)</p><p></p><p> It might actually be possible to negotiate with them now (that is, they would not eat the negotiators</p><p> immediately)</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Edena_of_Neith (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p> Reprisal</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:27 PM </p><p></p><p> I will echo the words of Buzzard in saying that we were gunning for a peace agreement because we had</p><p> beaten back the elves sufficiently... Now, for some bloody reason, the dwarves turn around and attack</p><p> Technocratic holdings? After the aid and technology we have sent to them? And for some reason, our allies</p><p> from day one, the gnomes have decided to switch sides?</p><p></p><p> What the hell is this?</p><p></p><p> The Technocracy has not been consulted in the summoning of Devils to the side of the Humanoids. I knew</p><p> this would come back and bite us in the @$$... As a result, I would believe that the Technomancy would stay</p><p> their lines and hold their ground, but we now stand alone. If we now stand alone, I will issue a communiqué</p><p> to all known factions: The Technomancy will not attack any one nation that does not attack them as of this</p><p> date. Instead, we will leave all involved to deal with it their way. If the "Elder Races" wish to fight a war, so</p><p> be it, but keep it off of our land. </p><p></p><p> We have the capability to defend ourselves better than we can attack someone, do you want your first</p><p> invading army to be crushed by the weight of our machine guns and artillery? ((We have technology of</p><p> around the level of WW1, as Edena said.)) This goes true with the humanoids as well, if they get rid of the</p><p> fiends, we will return into the fray, but as it stands, this singular act has made it such that our primary allies,</p><p> the Gnomes, have left us.</p><p></p><p> I, for one, value their company. If you are still bent on war, go ahead, but do not target us with your ill</p><p> magics and stolen technology.</p><p></p><p> This communiqué will need the blessing of either Lannon or another Technomancer, though, before it is</p><p> ratified as policy.</p><p></p><p> Rep.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus</p><p></p><p> LazyDM</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:28 PM </p><p></p><p> Hoof and mouth disease strike the Tuigan Horde.</p><p></p><p> The illithid brain-pools are stricken with Cascade Fever.</p><p></p><p> The influx of people from Athas also brings an influx of new diseases as well. Big nasty diseases some</p><p> would almost call intelligent, but then those people probably already are hallucinating with fever so no one</p><p> would listen to their ramblings anyway.</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by LazyDM (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:35 PM </p><p></p><p> Very well.</p><p></p><p> As of this moment (at least) there is a cease fire.</p><p></p><p> All fighting between the Elven / Faerie / Dwarven-Gnomish-Halfling / Angelic Alliance, and the Technomancer</p><p> Confederation (and all it's allies) has stopped.</p><p></p><p> These two gigantic powers are eyeing each other warily, rebuilding as well as they can, and fortifying their</p><p> defenses, but hostilities have ceased.</p><p></p><p> The illithid remain quiet in the Underdark.</p><p></p><p> The angels continue to fight the fiends, but that is a minor aside. (At least, it is minor compared to what will</p><p> happen when war breaks back out.)</p><p></p><p> There is now a chance for all three sides: elves, technomancers, and illithid, to come to the table and</p><p> hammer out a peace agreement.</p><p></p><p> Does anyone attempt this? (ANYONE involved in Posting to this Thread has a right to come forward, and</p><p> attempt the peace treaty.)</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Edena_of_Neith (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p> Mr. Draco</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:36 PM </p><p></p><p> Too late, when wizards of the coast made the 3e psionic handbook, they knew that it meant JEDI. But to be</p><p> fair, no empire or alliance. However the psionists still call on Skywalker and the Jedi for help.</p><p></p><p> *Drumroll*</p><p></p><p> Enter the Jedi, allies with the psionists, and to be fair, devoid of technology except for their lightsabers</p><p> (come on what's a jedi without a lightsaber)</p><p></p><p> And I, as Jedi Master (and ex: admiral) Draco, co-leader of the Jedi/Psionist League now deliver this</p><p> message on our behalf.</p><p></p><p> "All psionic creatures, join together, we will combat this menace that attepts to stop the progression of</p><p> technology. Report with your local psionist allies to join the new power. (this includes mind flayers and the</p><p> like) Now that we have gathered our power, it is time to tip the balance, we pledge alliance to the</p><p> technomancy, if they are willing, we will help to protect the development of technology."</p><p></p><p> P.S. I think that they would also like to know our secrets of lightsaber production.</p><p></p><p> buzzard</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:39 PM </p><p></p><p> Minimal support will be provided to the devils. Also we are just holding our lines as per Reprisal's</p><p> reccomendation. If, by chance, we have any way of gauging the Illithids intentions, we may become more</p><p> receptive to their offers. Also, keep in mind that it was the humanoids that offered alliance with the devils.</p><p> Not ourselves. While they are our allies, they are not our leaders. </p><p></p><p> Also no support whatsoever will be offered to the defilers. After seeing what damage they unleash, we will be</p><p> expelling them from out lands. Resistance will be punished with a bullet in the head(from the magic sniper</p><p> weapons). Any sort of alliance with such beings is summarily rejected. </p><p></p><p> Buzzard</p><p></p><p> LazyDM</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:39 PM </p><p></p><p> A mitichlorian rhinovirus wipes out the Jedi population.</p><p></p><p> Jar Jar spread it.</p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:42 PM </p><p></p><p> The Technomancy expels the Defilers from their lands.</p><p> The Chosen applaud this, obviously.</p><p></p><p> It becomes apparent to all that the Technomancy wants peace.</p><p></p><p> It is up to the elves and the illithids (and the other minor powers.) </p><p> Will they come, and attempt a peace treaty, or plunge Toril back into war?</p><p></p><p> Reprisal</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:43 PM </p><p></p><p> I just remembered that Lannon et al are probably at work or classes. I'm blessed and cursed with a day off</p><p> until 7pm PST, so I must push the Policy through our parliaments myself. We have a majority, or a majority</p><p> coalition in each of our nations, so it shouldn't be all that difficult. In any event, we will stand and let Fate</p><p> handle the problem with the Outsiders, who are worse than the Elder Races, IMO, and enter into</p><p> International Relations once things have calmed down a bit.</p><p></p><p> In essence, remove the Technocracy power level from "our" side until the devils are beaten back. Oh, and</p><p> Edena, let the dwarves and gnomes know that we have not sanctioned the use of such creatures and will not</p><p> use them. If the forces under Forrester try to retreat back from their lines to our nations, they will be fired</p><p> upon.</p><p></p><p> I urge Forrester to be rid of his devils, though we believe in the right to National Self-Determination, we do</p><p> not condone the use of said creatures. Be rid of them, and we'll talk, if you are still bent on killing the Elves,</p><p> who were defeated by our standards, go ahead.</p><p></p><p> If the Illithids are more "neutral" now, I will relay a message to them, it will be the communiqué. I will not</p><p> send any envoys though, for I trust the Mind Flayers far less than I trust the humanoids at this point.</p><p></p><p> Rep.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus</p><p></p><p> Reprisal</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:43 PM </p><p></p><p> I jump at the chance to hammer out an agreement.</p><p></p><p> (Post Edit)</p><p></p><p> I also issue an apology to Buzzard for jumping the gun, we got a little worried there.</p><p></p><p> Rep.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Reprisal (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Reprisal (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p> buzzard</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:45 PM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Edena_of_Neith:</p><p> Very well.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Does anyone attempt this? (ANYONE involved in Posting to this Thread has a right to come</p><p> forward, and attempt the peace treaty.)</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Edena_of_Neith (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p></p><p> The Technocracy makes no demands but a calls a permanent ceasefire (think Korea). Boundaries will</p><p> remain static as current. No demands for reparations are given. This position will not budge. </p><p></p><p> Given the behavior of our enemies, I hardly think we will ever trust them. Half are the havok wreaking elves,</p><p> and the others are turncoats from our side. There may be peace, but there will be no amity. </p><p></p><p> Buzzard</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:47 PM </p><p></p><p> The other side must respond, Reprisal.</p><p></p><p> All hostilities have ceased, until then.</p><p></p><p> Except for the angel/fiend battles, but again - they is aside from the point.</p><p></p><p> There are minor skirmishes, obviously, between the various allied forces - with so many different parties in</p><p> the field, they would be skirmishes.</p><p> But again, this is minor.</p><p></p><p> The Technomancy has declared it wishes peace, is willing to expel the devils, has already expelled the</p><p> Defilers, and has ceased all hostilities.</p><p> Now, it is up to the Elves / Faeries / Angels, and the Illithid.</p><p> And the others.</p><p></p><p> zouron</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:47 PM </p><p></p><p> since a possible treaty is up, I remain silent for now with my answer, I see that most other have sought</p><p> outside help, yet the most powerful forces are yet untouched, I immidiately summons the efreeti and</p><p> elementals to help (major alliance with fire, minor with air and earth). My armies of undead will turn anyone</p><p> foolish enough to attack us into new recruits. </p><p></p><p> Efreeti are promised spells of power against the Djinns, the great sultan will slaves, gold power spells for his</p><p> mens effort. The elementals will be offered magic and weapons against the elemental water forces. My</p><p> people will even trade for the body of the fall dead from fallen armies. No enemy will be shown mercy in any</p><p> way.</p><p></p><p> Also attempt to recruit the lone psionics will start, promising them resources for their study in exchange for</p><p> aid. Peasents will be promised land and fair laws to work for us. </p><p></p><p> Anyone entering the land we claims as ours without promision will be slaughtered on sight and turns into as</p><p> powerful undead as possible. </p><p></p><p> We might not be the most recon force but soon our powers will raise.</p><p></p><p> Defence of the land is still a prime aspect using the latest spy techniques as well as powerful forces of</p><p> udnead.</p><p></p><p> random raides into neighbours will be conducted (except those we trade with), and the green skins can</p><p> plunder what riches they find as long as body for our armies are gathered.</p><p></p><p> signed zouron</p><p></p><p> Alzem Dalcama</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:48 PM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Posted by Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Alzem, where exactly do you set up the Neutral Zone?</p><p> What country? What continent? </p><p></p><p></p><p> on an island that has not ben ravaged by the war, if possible create one off to the west of waterdeep (500</p><p> miles approx.)</p><p></p><p> OK this war has started to escilate beyond anyone groups abality tp stop so We will start to tone down the</p><p> wholesale salughter of the people.</p><p></p><p> 1. There is massive war and destruction across the entire world of Toril, as the angels and demons battle it</p><p> out. As we fight the demons we will attemt to repair any damage that was caused during our fights. Also we</p><p> will attemt to keep the civilans casualities as small as possible, possibly even sacrafiving angles to keep</p><p> large numbers of innocents from being killed.</p><p></p><p> 2. The defilers are a special kind of mage.</p><p> They advance at TWICE the rate of normal mages, in experience point terms. </p><p> But every time they cast a spell, it kills plant life in the immediate vicinity.</p><p> The higher level the spell, the more plant life it kills.</p><p> The high level spells of the Defilers also kill animals, and cause agonizing pain to humans and demi-humans.</p><p> The 10th level psionic enchantments, kill humans and demi-humans. </p><p> These spells also destroy water. </p><p> Defiling magic is the reason Athas is a burned wasteland, ruined and waterless. </p><p> The Chosen of Mystra continue to kill every Defiler they find, without mercy or remorse, and they will not</p><p> stop until the last Defiler is driven from the world. Here i expect the help of Bran and the Druidic alliance in</p><p> helping to drive these reapers of death back to their on lands. We will assist in any way necessary, but the</p><p> demons and Devils are sill Our first priority.</p><p></p><p> 3. Zouron's undecided force of undead remains at Power Level 2 We want to Find Zouron if he is known to</p><p> exist and try to enlist bot his and the Illithids help in closing ALL the portals to this world. The MindFlayers</p><p> begin to experience something many in their race never have the good fortune to feel... contentment.</p><p> The alignment of the greater MindFlayer population on Toril begins to shift, very slowly, from evil to</p><p> neutral. </p><p></p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Cleric of St. Cuthbert "I?m about to drop the hammer, and dispense some indiscriminate justice!"</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Alzem Dalcama (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p> Mr. Draco</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:50 PM </p><p></p><p> Won't work, this is why:</p><p></p><p> Firstly: "Midi-chlorian- this species of microscopic organism is known to the Jedi Knights as a symbiotic</p><p> creature that exists within the cells of every living creature. Life in the galaxy is dependent upon the</p><p> midi-chlorians"</p><p></p><p> So if the midi-chlorians are wipped out, so is everything else, i doubt that the gods would like to see all of</p><p> their creations suddenely wipped out by a disease. So they intervine and stop it before it can cause any</p><p> damage to anybody. Bummer.</p><p></p><p> Anyways, If anyone in the technocracy is willing to acknowledge an alliance, it will become official, then the</p><p> combined might of the technocracy and Jedi/Psionic league will supply ample bargaining power if a peace</p><p> agreement is attempted, if not, well what is so bad about having several thousand jedi and psionists,</p><p> (including mind flayers and the like) on your side? </p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 03:51 PM </p><p></p><p> Based on the above posts ...</p><p></p><p> Everyone on Toril realizes just about simultaneously that there is a chance ... a chance ... that this could be</p><p> stopped.</p><p> Toril is on the brink. The brink of a war of annihilation.</p><p> But it appears everyone has woken up to this fact, just in time.</p><p></p><p> There is a chance to turn this thing off.</p><p> A chance for peace.</p><p> The world will never be the same again, but there is a chance to have a world, to expel the destructive</p><p> Outsiders, the Defilers, the others.</p><p></p><p> There is this one chance.</p><p></p><p> The Burned Man</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:01 PM </p><p></p><p> I Dregoth UNDEAD sorcerer-king approach Zouron and offer an alliance....</p><p></p><p> I will learn you the way of the Mind if you allow me access to the secrets of Torilian magic....</p><p></p><p> I send out missionaries to humanoids offering them power if they worship me....</p><p></p><p> *continues research on psionic enchantment*</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> buzzard</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:07 PM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Mr. Draco:</p><p></p><p> Anyways, If anyone in the technocracy is willing to acknowledge an alliance, it will become</p><p> official, then the combined might of the technocracy and Jedi/Psionic league will supply</p><p> ample bargaining power if a peace agreement is attempted, if not, well what is so bad about</p><p> having several thousand jedi and psionists, (including mind flayers and the like) on your side?</p><p></p><p></p><p> Sure, we're OK with an allaince. However it will just be a defensive alliance since we just don't want to fight</p><p> anymore. We also will be a touch leery. We've been burned before. </p><p></p><p> Also, if the outsiders can be convinced to leave, we're game. </p><p></p><p> Buzzard (not trying to speak for all technos, but I think I'm on the right side of things)</p><p></p><p></p><p> Riot Gear</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:07 PM </p><p></p><p> I am the Illithid emissary.</p><p></p><p> "My name cannot be encompassed by your mind, but you may refer to me as Mindetcher. I have been sent</p><p> from the underrealms to discuss the expulsion of the Blood War from Faerun.</p><p> Our terms are simple. You leave us alone when we finish expelling them, and we will do the same to you.</p><p> We will not trouble you for many, many decades. Agreed?"</p><p></p><p> I'm in Technomancy territory at the moment, and I haven't eaten anyone yet, though a lot of dead dogs</p><p> have shown up... (Hey, they're ALMOST sentient. They help me avoid eating any sentients.)</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Grap a mop, there's going to be blood on the ceiling!!</p><p> -My character.</p><p></p><p> Mr. Draco</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:08 PM </p><p></p><p> Hah, dregoth, the secrets of the mind belong to me , Co-leader of the Jedi/Psionic League. And the one still</p><p> awaiting a reply from the technocracy. To gain the secrets of the mind, you would have to defeat an army of</p><p> thousands upon thousands of jedi and psionists, (not to mention mind-flayers and the like)</p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:12 PM </p><p></p><p> It looks like we (the humanoids) can't afford to wait until 7PM EST. Dammit.</p><p></p><p> First: Edena, you gave the Devils, w/WW1 weaponry (that includes nitro/dynamite), an essential power level</p><p> of 3 (we went from 9 to 12). You're giving the Demons a power level of 5. (We went from 12 to 16 with the</p><p> aid of the defilers, I gather, as well as other additional allies.) </p><p></p><p> So the well-organized horde of devils with technomagical support count as power level "3", but the Demons</p><p> count as power level "5"? You know, if there were that many more demons than devils, we would have allied</p><p> with *them*! </p><p></p><p> It seems every time we get an ally, they suck compared to the force coming in on the other side. Druids,</p><p> power 5? The combined force of the Technomancy AND the millions of well-armed humanoids was only power</p><p> 7 at the end of year 5. Are the druids that numerous and do they have power equivalent to bugbears with</p><p> gatling guns? </p><p></p><p> If you insist on this seeming anti-humanoid bias, then sure. We'll formally disavow and end any alliance</p><p> with the Devils. We've given them advanced technology already anyway. So we'll do a little supplying behind</p><p> the lines, perhaps . . . nothing serious. It isn't as though at this point they can't operate efficiently</p><p> independently. (If they are, in fact, more powerful than power level 3, let me know.)</p><p></p><p> Second: Re the defilers. We will formally disavow contact with them as well. (Don't worry, guys . . . we'll</p><p> support you as well behind the scenes. Not completely and totally, of course -- but the "official"</p><p> technomancy will have a very difficult time finding you.) </p><p></p><p> I'll point out to Edena that given we've taken a lot of the factories and such to the Underdark, and have</p><p> always relied a great deal on fungi and cave lizards and rivers in the Underdark, above-ground "Defilement"</p><p> isn't a big deal to us. Especially if it's aimed at the elves. Those silly Defilers! Working Independently!</p><p></p><p> Let me know if I've messed anything up with the backstory . . . </p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p></p><p> By the way -- the Teleport Without Error ability of the stronger devils should be DEVASTATING . . . given that</p><p> they can carry technomagical explosives with them. Aiming for the Gnome/Dwarf laboratories, of course, if</p><p> possible. We have the tech edge right now. We're taking advantage of it. </p><p></p><p> Damn those devils, working independently! Kind of. </p><p></p><p> Finally, Imps are devils. And Imps can cause a LOT more havok than Kender can. The power level of Devils</p><p> w/Cheaty Technomagic should be a lot greater. </p><p></p><p> (Have the Gith made any progress w/their Psionic research? Perhaps the defilers can help?)</p><p></p><p></p><p> Phasmus</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:18 PM </p><p></p><p> The second emissary of the MindFlayers came...</p><p> It was covered in black shiny carapace-like armor which hummed and glinted with psionic power. It's eyes</p><p> were shielded from the dim light with a pair of large black goggles. The only flesh of the creature that could</p><p> be seen were its tendrils... which darted in and out of a small pouch hanging in front of where it's mouth</p><p> would be. It was securely, but comfortably, fastened to a chairlike metal framework. On its head, over its</p><p> armor, sat a black crystal circlet... a psionic dampener which would prevent anything more strenuous than</p><p> mental communication from effecting or being produced by the Illithid. It had taken great pains to make</p><p> itself seem as harmless to the poor, easily frightened, thralls as possible. Bearing its seat it were four Scorp</p><p> Thralls... conditioned to obey its every command without question, regardless of psionic control. </p><p> The mind flayer's minions bear their master toward the council of the other faction members. Before they</p><p> have a chance to rise or speak, the creature's voice slips into their minds like sand through ones fingers...</p><p></p><p> "Greetings the SunLit ones... I speak for the Illithid. I understand that you seek to discuss terms of peace.</p><p> Not just peace between our own forces, perhaps... But the enforcement of peace across the face of Toril. We</p><p> are willing to help you bring about this goal... oh yes. At the very least, we will not take up arms against you</p><p> without cause. We are very happy with our current situation, you see... Oh yes... If you desire our help,</p><p> concessions on your part will be necessary. We wish to put the conflict behind us, you see... We will help you</p><p> find peace, if you will not attempt to interfere with us after all is said and done. If you agree, our forces will</p><p> set about aiding yours in pacifying the world... and purging the undead menace. If not, we will wait below...</p><p> and claim what remains of your world at the end of it all. Would that you will not force us to take the latter</p><p> course. There is mutual profit to be had in our association..."</p><p></p><p> The final results of the discussion are, of course, pending.</p><p></p><p> For the record, the MindFlayers are STILL searching for ways to gain control of the world, and banish the</p><p> sun... but their motives and intentions have changed somewhat, as has the likelihood of their immediately</p><p> employing such knowledge should they succeed in finding it.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Regards,</p><p></p><p> Phasmus & Co.</p><p></p><p> "When in doubt, use duct tape."</p><p></p><p> The Burned Man</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:18 PM </p><p></p><p> I Dregoth am a master of Will and the Way, your paltry powers are nothing compared to mine</p><p> (20th/20th/9th defiler/psion/dragon, undead in 2e, so he´s a 29th level psion)</p><p></p><p> all athasians have wild talents....</p><p></p><p> *contiues researching his VERY special spell*</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:23 PM </p><p></p><p> Draco -- we welcome you to our side, should you allow us to inspect whatever technology you've got with you.</p><p></p><p> Dregoth -- sorry, we ain't worshpping you. You may be our allies. Nothing more. </p><p> EDIT: Right now the Technomancy wants you dead, the elven alliance wants you dead . . pretty much</p><p> everyone. We'll secretly give you sanctuary. It's your call. </p><p></p><p> Illithids. Precisely what was your offer? Peace? Will you strike the elves? What's the deal? </p><p></p><p> After you explain what it is, we tell you to go to hell, and eat you. Yummmmmm. Calamari. </p><p></p><p> You canNOT trust squid-heads, people. You should know that . . . </p><p></p><p> Forrester</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Forrester (edited 04-10-2001).]</p><p></p><p></p><p> This topic is 16 pages</p><p> long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 </p><p></p><p> All times are Central Time (US)</p><p> This is an ARCHIVED topic. 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You are so screwed it isn't</p><p> funny.</p><p></p><p> On a related note, given that I control the Planewalkers, Eremith shows up from Athas.</p><p></p><p> He hasn't done anything.</p><p></p><p> Yet.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Grap a mop, there's going to be blood on the ceiling!!</p><p> -My character.</p><p></p><p> The Burned Man</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:27 PM </p><p></p><p> Worship me, humanoids, I can grant divine energy to those who do so...</p><p></p><p> ...and I have come to possess an artifact which would aid you greatly towards the Illithid if they would come</p><p> to turn against you...</p><p></p><p> "The Psionatrix"....</p><p></p><p> Phasmus</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:28 PM </p><p></p><p> Mr. Forrester, you were the one advocating the use of monstrosities from the lower planes, were you not? I</p><p> fear you may not be the best judge of who and who not to trust.</p><p></p><p> Our terms are simple. If we will be left alone after the war, we will help end the war now. If this is not agreed</p><p> to, we will let you settle things on your own... and we will be left to pick up the pieces.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Regards,</p><p></p><p> Phasmus</p><p></p><p> aka Don'Calamari</p><p></p><p> The Burned Man</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:28 PM </p><p></p><p> Sorry Planeswalkers you cant.</p><p></p><p> Dregoth has the planar gate (artifact), the only way to Athas (unless I´m missinformed?)</p><p></p><p> Reprisal</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-10-2001 04:29 PM </p><p></p><p> We're still in a period of cease-fire until an Abassador from the Elder Races gets here, correct?</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 1302673, member: 2020"] [b](Post 8) Thread One of the 1st IR[/b] Estlor Member posted 04-10-2001 01:47 PM Ah, but Forrester, Edena's comments don't apply to a group of gnomes, dwarves, AND elves. Gnomes supply the brains. Dwarves supply the know-how. Elves supply the magic. That, my friend, is a dangerous combination. As for the Dragon Overlords, if you want to abandon your armies to come to Krynn with me to talk to them, so be it - but who will lead in your stead? I'd be more than willing to delay the meeting with the Overlords for some one-on-one humanoid to elven bard/bladesinger competition *evil grin* ------------------ The Lighthouse Webmaster "More conversions, less talk." Forrester Member posted 04-10-2001 01:52 PM Dregeth (The Burned Man) -- we welcome you! Will you help us beat back the elven and faerae menace?! If you don't mind, we'd like to see what we can do with your Defiler Magic, when combined with our technology. Edena -- let me know when we've got poison gas, germ warfare, and/or the A-bomb . Forrester Enjoying The Moment (While It Lasts?) You know, it occurs to me that there's only two people on the side of the stupid elves/fae, and a bunch on the side of the technomancy. That should count for somethin'. Edit: ESTLOR: Last time I checked, the elves didn't LIKE technomagic. Remember the big war and stuff they started? And now they're going to be eager participants? And I can send a rep to talk to the Dragonlords. I wouldn't be surprised if they took the heads of those they disagreed with. So you're going in person, eh? Hmmm. [This message has been edited by Forrester (edited 04-10-2001).] Estlor Member posted 04-10-2001 01:58 PM If you check back, the issues the elves had were about it defiling nature. If the oversee it, as was the PC Estlor's ultimate goal, a common ground could be found such that environmentally-friendly non-defiling technology could be created. Besides, if you check a few posts back, I stated the gnomes and dwarves, while under my command, went about creating techno-defenses that were fer more advanced than anything yet built. Your puny guns can't hurt what they can't hit. ------------------ The Lighthouse Webmaster "More conversions, less talk." Forrester Member posted 04-10-2001 02:05 PM Hah! I read your post that said the gnomes/dwarves would TRY to build better techno-defenses than anything ever built. How they could do that so quickly and easily is another question, as both sides *just* entered the war. So you're working on techno-defenses, though? Great. Because right now your minions are on the *attack*. Build all of the wonderful fortifications you want (though I still think it'll take a little while for you to match us -- we have a big jump on you, *and* greater numbers). That's not going to help you retake elven lost ground. And you don't speak for the elves or dwarves (or gnomes?) anyway, Estlor. You speak for the Faerie folk. Gettin' too big for your britches, Mister Man . [This message has been edited by Forrester (edited 04-10-2001).] Estlor Member posted 04-10-2001 02:12 PM Never said I was speaking for anyone (yet) The only person I speak for is myself. And you know something, isn't it always the lone party of PCs that defies the odds and wins the war? Assuming I survive my confrontation with the Dragon Overlords, I fully know where I'll go and who I'll seek to bring some order to the chaos. ------------------ The Lighthouse Webmaster "More conversions, less talk." Bran Blackbyrd Member posted 04-10-2001 02:16 PM I'll gladly join my Druidic forces with that of Estlor and the Faerie Folk, in truth we have always been one force working for the same cause. I'm just another footsoldier for Nature and peace. ------------------ Jason "Warlocke" Lewis ---------------------- DM: You see there are orcs camped out in the chasm ahead of you. Me: Do they have multiple Orc-Chasms? Warlocke's Realm The Burned Man Member posted 04-10-2001 02:19 PM Yes. I and my minions will aid you, Forrester... Allow me to assume controll of one of your mayor strongholds and I will start working on it. We should recreate a better Planar Gate from Toril. The Athasians will flock at the chance to enter this world. You will find our magic much easier to learn, and it has only slight side-effects. Estlor Member posted 04-10-2001 02:19 PM Well Bran, my plan is this - it's called, "Lesser of Two evils." I'd say the humanoids and their devil allies are the greater threat, meaning a temporary alliance with the elves is at hand while I try to stop the Dragon Overlords. After that, well, if I'm still alive in this game I'm going to try and bring back some big help. ------------------ The Lighthouse Webmaster "More conversions, less talk." Forrester Member posted 04-10-2001 02:26 PM Accursed druids. We'll dance on your groves. Forrester signing off until at least 7PM EST. That's a little less than 4 hours from now. As has been said before, don't destroy the multiverse while I'm gone. Edena -- I confess I don't know enough about FR or Greyhawk to know who to go to for help. But with all of my resources (especially the devils), my character would. Somebody said something about Iuz's humanoid minions before, from Oerth (correct?) . . . perhaps he'd be interested in giving us a hand. Oh. The Evil Giants haven't been invited into the fray yet -- nor the Beholders or other underworldly abberations. While they aren't exactly going to be forward troops, I will certainly invite them to be on my side. Some have to be skittish about the Illithid, after all -- an alliance would do them good. Hmmm. Orcs carry rifles . . . I wonder what Ogres and Giants carry? Cannons? Heh heh heh. Forrester Ah'll Be Bahck. Alzem Dalcama Member posted 04-10-2001 02:37 PM Ahh now it is time for the greates of all the armies to enter the frey, The Solars. During this time in the world the Vast angelic host has begun to fear for all the people of the world, not because of the technology, that is not a problem. It is the enterance of Devils and Deamons back into the war that we believe will caust this plane to slip into the nether regions (Torment) We come here not to stop the fighting through talks and peace, but through action. We will come to this plane on the magical Island of Nuriel(sp) and from there begin our pasification of all the lands. We do not care who fights aghainst us our goal is not to stop the war for going on but only to stop the devils and deamons from taking thi plane. We will send diplomats to the elven nations and ask them to halt their association with the deamons, and ally themselves with us and we will coe to their aid, but NOT to destroy the technomancy but to destroy the devils who are allied with forrester and the rouge deamons. We will also ask the fairie folk and the druids to assist us in our rightious cause and offer them our help and protection aghainst those who are allied with the forces of darkness. We will also send a representive to the dwarven nation asking them to reconsider breaking their alliance with the fairie folk and join us in the purification of the lands. ------------------ Cleric of St. Cuthbert "I?m about to drop the hammer, and dispense some indiscriminate justice!" buzzard Member posted 04-10-2001 02:39 PM After us "corrupt humans" have heard of this slander, we decide that it's time to stop with the fig leaves. We offered truce. We didn't start this war. We merely called on avialable allies when we were in dire straights. We've had enough. Technical schools are set up to train the humanoids in all aspects of the technology. We work hard on advanced breechloading artillery, repeating rifles, gatling guns (maybe moving up to Maxim level guns eventually, give it time) and mines. In the face of this firepower and proper fortifications (trenches, star type forts, pallisades, and barbed wire), the barbarian threat is no threat. Merely wheat to be mowed down. They will charge in the defenses, the barbed wire will bog them down and they will die. This isn't even a shadow of a fair fight. Remeber Custer slew many times his number before he went down and he had inferior weapons to our cause, and no fortifications. As for the Gnomes, I'm amazed they would ally themselves with those who started this mess. I'm rather leery of the Devils, and I will keep the Illithid suggestions under consideration. Factories will be moved underground as per the suggestions of the humanoids. I'm also going to consult with clerics of Gond about magicking up some Sharps rifles of Dragon Slaying (+5 Major slaying). Buzzard Edena_of_Neith Member posted 04-10-2001 02:42 PM The elves EAGERLY accept the alliance of the Faerie Folk!! The new alliance, the Elven / Faerie Alliance, has a Power Rating of 15. However, the massive devil army that has come into Toril to help the Technomancy Confederation has pushed them up also, and they now stand at Power Rating 12. The Demons running amok and attacking everything and everyone in sight have a power rating of 4. The druid alliance led by Bran has increased greatly in power, and is up to a Power Rating of 5. The Tuigan horde has not allied with the dwarves, gnomes, or kender (especially not the kender ...) but their combined strength is a Power Rating of 6. The person (I forget his name) who walked in out of Athas with an army of defilers (I think everyone should take note of this new threat!) has a Power Rating of 2, but the defilers are looking at Toril and saying: hmmm ... look at all that VEGETATION we can use up for our spells! The war in the heavens continues, with the Elven Imperial Navy of Realmspace locked in mortal combat with the Scro Navy. Hundreds of wrecked spelljammer ships are crashing down onto Toril. The Illthid remain at Power Level 10, and are entrenched. The Technomancy has the Githyanki, Githzerai, Scro, evil creatures of the sea including the Sahuagin, many of the evil dragons, the devils, and massive help from Zakhara. The Elven / Faerie Alliance has most of the remaining dragons, and is in an unofficial alliance with the dwarves, gnomes, and kender (and kender are now running around Evermeet, by the way) The Tuigan Horde has been joined by elements out of Kara-Tur. There are so many sides, and so much confusion, and so many opportunists coming in from other worlds, other Crystal Spheres, and other Planes, that nobody is sure who is allied with who (including ME.) Zouron continues to amass his army of undead (now Power Level 2) and he has joined nobody. The Planeswalkers have grown greatly, and they are at Power Level 2. The single biggest arms race in the history of Toril is in progress. LazyDM Member posted 04-10-2001 02:45 PM Time for me to step in. I'm the spokesman for one of the more powerful factions that has yet to reveal itself...until now. So many people crowded together behind their impenetrable walls. Cleanliness probably isn't the first thing on their minds. Add to that the fact magic has been messed around with so much it was only a matter of time before yet another consequence of the Month of Terror appeared. I speak for the plagues, the sicknesses, and the afflictions that rise up in the supposed sanctuaries. Resistant to magical cures and a mystery to the ignorant populace these highly communicable, nearly always fatal diseases crop up without regard for sides. Question is, who should they target? Edena_of_Neith Member posted 04-10-2001 02:52 PM Ok, two NEW developments. An army of angels has descended on Toril, and they are attacking the demons and devils (and anyone who stands with them) This army is Power Level 7. Burned Man leads his army of defilers into Toril, and with their aid, the Technomancy jumps to Power Level 13. Unfortunately, the use of Defiler magic starts eradicating vegetation and water permanently ... Many clerics prophesy the end of Toril if defiling magic continues to be allowed. The Technomancy has now reached the technology level of the French and Germans at the height of World War One. The combustion engine has been invented. The first aircraft has been launched. Electricity is now widely used (although only for military applications - there hasn't been time for anything else) The Technomancy now has the ability to mass produce very fine firearms and machine guns, along with artillery and mortars, and high explosives. However ... The gnomes are also advanced technologically, and they are working with the dwarves furiously to educate them on building weapons of war. Dwarves are fast learners, and they are very good at building things. So, although the dwarves and gnomes are still playing catch up, they are catching up fast. A number of kender have gotten into the explosives research labs. The result has been invariably disastrous. The Chosen of Mystra are personally attacking the defilers from Athas, hunting them down one by one and killing them. No quarter is given, and no surrenders accepted. But the Chosen do send this message to the defilers of Athas: leave Toril now, do not ever return, or face immediate destruction. Forrester Member posted 04-10-2001 02:52 PM Solars Schmolars! Sheesh. After I walk my dog I'll log in under a different username and say that I'm entering the fray on the side of God. Seriously, Solars aren't an independent force -- they report to their gods. If this is the case, may I suggest that we let Edena decide when the Gods Themselves enter the war? Forrester Who is *really* leaving now . . . And who thinks the Technomancy is getting hosed here. Edena_of_Neith Member posted 04-10-2001 02:56 PM Actually, the Gods have been quite good about not getting involved. Nor will they get involved. Pretty much all the angels, demons, and devils that can enter the war, have entered the war. Toril is now swarming with hundreds of thousands of minor demons and devils, thousands of major ones, and thousands of angels come to fight them. Alzem Dalcama Member posted 04-10-2001 03:04 PM Ahh but forrester we are not here to join in the war on one side or the other. We are here solely to save the world for slipping into one of the nether regions by removing the influence of the demons and the devils from the realms. Sheesh since they got involved we want to know when the a-bomb will be invented to use on our foes, not if that is not a reason for the gods to get involved for the express purpose of ridding this evil influence then what is? As I said we are not here it defeat any of the armies of man, but to destroy those things that do not belong here ( Edena_of_Neith I am not to familiar with the defilers if they were to fit with the devils and demons offer assistance to the chosen as this means Mystra is directly opposed to them.) As for the diseases that are soon to ravage the world we will do nothing to stop this as this was caused by mankind's folly. We will also start setting up a neutral zone where anyone can come and stay in peace until this war is over. ------------------ Cleric of St. Cuthbert "I?m about to drop the hammer, and dispense some indiscriminate justice!" Phasmus Member posted 04-10-2001 03:07 PM Disease brings havoc and suffering to the war-torn surface dwellers... Good show LazyDM! The Illithid are entering a golden age, so to speak. Growing increasingly indifferent to the events above, the MindFlayers are content to concentrate on their own betterment while the thrall-races of the surface destroy themselves. With their recently obtained massive quantities of arcane power, old taboos against MindFlayer magery rapidly disappear. Although they will never be as plentiful as the psions, MindFlayer wizards and sorcerers are now fairly common. Uninterrupted by conflict, the great scientific minds of the Illithid are able to concentrate on the production of the most advanced technology-psionic-magic hybrid machinery and equipment ever known. There are periodic expansions within the underdark... the already decimated drow, the Ku'Toa and many other underdark races are enslaved... their portions of the underworld cut off from the surface like all the rest. The MindFlayers begin to experience something many in their race never have the good fortune to feel... contentment. The alignment of the greater MindFlayer population on Toril begins to shift, very slowly, from evil to neutral. Of course their thralls-keeping practices and their diet could never allow much more than that... Other worlds, far removed from Toril, note surges in the power and activity of native Illithid, as the MindFlayers of Toril distribute their marvels of arcane and psionic enhanced technology to their distant kin... Regards, Phasmus & Co. "Everything I need to know in life I learned from killing smart people and eating their brains." LazyDM Member posted 04-10-2001 03:07 PM Botulism strikes the humanoid foodstuffs. Blackrot Fever decimates Waterdeep and its Undermountain refugee population. Estlor Member posted 04-10-2001 03:07 PM Well, since Edena never said I was dead, nor said the Dragon Overlords attacked, I guess I managed to convince them that Toril isn't worth the effort. As such, seeing the only way to end the war is with something so decisive that no side can stand up to it, I go looking for the one person that can possibly bring order to chaos. Someone who obviously is out wandering the planes right now to let things get this bad. Someone who, as much as I hate to bring him into it, is necessary at this time. I go search the planes, find this person, and tell him of all the details of things that has happened. Including the birth of technology, start of the war, messing with the weave, so on and so forth. Ladies and gentlemen, I come home with.... Eleminster. And boy is he upset. EDIT: Notice Mini isn't a god, nor is he able to strike everyone down at once. But he's sure good at looking threatening ------------------ The Lighthouse Webmaster "More conversions, less talk." [This message has been edited by Estlor (edited 04-10-2001).] The Burned Man Member posted 04-10-2001 03:11 PM Remember that the Athasians also possess very potent psionics... Mr. Draco Member posted 04-10-2001 03:14 PM Hah, weaklings, there is yet time to save yourself. I, Admiral Draco of the New Republic Navy, has come to your planet at the request of Jedi Master Skywalker, (who, by the way, learned of the conflict from the psionists, aka Jedi). My fleet of 500 Mon Clamarian Star Cruisers will wipe out any hostile forces. Lead by myself and Jedi Master Skywalker's group of Jedi, onboard the recovered Super Star Destroyer Lusankya, nothing that stands and fights will survive. For we come with the might of a galaxy backing us, and with the faith that the force is with us. I say again, join us, or perish. P.S. Your spells will not get through our shields, neither will your low-technology guns. P.P.S. A notice to all psionists, *ahem* jedi, stand tall against all who oppose you, as soon as you have a chance, contact Master Skywalker with your position and status, so that we may send teams to assist. The Burned Man Member posted 04-10-2001 03:16 PM Forrester, ...I Dregoth can grant those who follow me clerical magic, those worthy will be allowed to become my templars. Allow your people to worship me for I care for your kind... ...My servants will teach your follower the power of the Will and the Way (psionics)... ...and the power of athasian magic... ...worship me and I will do this for you... *Dregoth starts researching a very special psionic enchantment (+10 level spell)... Estlor Member posted 04-10-2001 03:18 PM I'd like to point out that Eleminster and I are not on anyone's side at this time. The side we are on is the side that demands a stop to the war. The side that stands up for the good over the evil. And the side that isn't concerned with who is right or wrong, just who is willing to take a step to end the insanity. As such, we invite anyone that is not evil and wants to see an end to the war to join us, otherwise, well, Eleminster and I will end up making targeted strikes We'll stop the war one city at a time, if only by destroying the implements of war. ------------------ The Lighthouse Webmaster "More conversions, less talk." Edena_of_Neith Member posted 04-10-2001 03:18 PM Alzem, where exactly do you set up the Neutral Zone? What country? What continent? The defilers are a special kind of mage. They advance at TWICE the rate of normal mages, in experience point terms. But every time they cast a spell, it kills plant life in the immediate vicinity. The higher level the spell, the more plant life it kills. The high level spells of the Defilers also kill animals, and cause agonizing pain to humans and demi-humans. The 10th level psionic enchantments, kill humans and demi-humans. These spells also destroy water. Defiling magic is the reason Athas is a burned wasteland, ruined and waterless. The Chosen of Mystra continue to kill every Defiler they find, without mercy or remorse, and they will not stop until the last Defiler is driven from the world. If the Technomancy sides with the Defilers, the Chosen themselves can be beaten back, and possibly killed. That decision, rests with the Technomancy. The Elven / Faerie / Angelic Alliance has a Power Level of 20. This is primarily because most of the dragons and an army of angels is on their side, but they also have all the faerie, and they have all the elves, and the dwarves, the gnomes, and the halflings (and the kender ...) The also have a large host of Outsiders from Arvandor, allies of the Faerie. But the Technomancy is up to a Power Level of 16, for they have hordes of help from assorted humanoids, githyanki, githzerai, scro, devils, evil dragons, evil sea creatures, a lot of allies from Athas including defilers, and a lot of other allies. The help from Burned Man meant a big difference. And Zakhara continues to send massive help. The demons are on neither side, as previously stated, but instead attack everyone. They are Power Level 5 now. Bran's Druidical Alliance is up to Power Level 6. Zouron's undecided force of undead remains at Power Level 2. The Tuigan Horde is defeated. They would not have a chance now against the Technomancy. They fall back to the Hordelands, leaving thousands of their fellows dead on the field. They fall back, only to find the demons attacking them also (the demons aren't discriminating) The Illithid are up to Power Level 11, and their defenses are stronger now, for they've had about a full year to work on them. There is massive war and destruction across the entire world of Toril, as the angels and demons battle it out. How much damage the Technomancy takes depends on how much they support their devil allies. Both sides are, of course, losing thousands killed, thousands wounded and dispelled. I am assuming Bran's druids and the elves aid the angels. Kara-Tur also fights on their side. Zakhara is glad for their help, for demons are assailing them also. However, Zakhara remains allied with the Technomancy, despite their alliance with the devils. This topic is 16 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 All times are Central Time (US) This is an ARCHIVED topic. You may not reply to it! Hop to: Contact Us | D&D 3rd Edition News Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47b Note: This is an archived topic. It is read-only. D&D 3rd Edition News Board Other Archived Stuff What would your PCs do if gnomes invented the Industrial Revolution? (Page 12) UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! profile | register | preferences | faq | search This topic is 16 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 This topic was originally posted in this forum: General RPG Discussion Author Topic: What would your PCs do if gnomes invented the Industrial Revolution? Estlor Member posted 04-10-2001 03:21 PM Signing off for now. However, for those that do not join together to stop the war, the two of us will target not them, but their resources, weapons, and supplies so as to remove their ability to fight. ------------------ The Lighthouse Webmaster "More conversions, less talk." Edena_of_Neith Member posted 04-10-2001 03:22 PM Disallowed. It is not possible for the Rebel Alliance to get involved in this mess. Or the Empire. Phasmus is correct. The illithid are entering a golden age. With their phaerimm slaves and the captured artifacts, they are making centuries of magical progress in only a few years. Because nobody is attacking them (the few Gith companies that tried could not reach them) the have multiplied and expanded as stated. They increase to Power Level 12. They also are leaning towards neutrality now, and are considerably less evil (as stated by Phasmus) It might actually be possible to negotiate with them now (that is, they would not eat the negotiators immediately) [This message has been edited by Edena_of_Neith (edited 04-10-2001).] Reprisal Member posted 04-10-2001 03:27 PM I will echo the words of Buzzard in saying that we were gunning for a peace agreement because we had beaten back the elves sufficiently... Now, for some bloody reason, the dwarves turn around and attack Technocratic holdings? After the aid and technology we have sent to them? And for some reason, our allies from day one, the gnomes have decided to switch sides? What the hell is this? The Technocracy has not been consulted in the summoning of Devils to the side of the Humanoids. I knew this would come back and bite us in the @$$... As a result, I would believe that the Technomancy would stay their lines and hold their ground, but we now stand alone. If we now stand alone, I will issue a communiqué to all known factions: The Technomancy will not attack any one nation that does not attack them as of this date. Instead, we will leave all involved to deal with it their way. If the "Elder Races" wish to fight a war, so be it, but keep it off of our land. We have the capability to defend ourselves better than we can attack someone, do you want your first invading army to be crushed by the weight of our machine guns and artillery? ((We have technology of around the level of WW1, as Edena said.)) This goes true with the humanoids as well, if they get rid of the fiends, we will return into the fray, but as it stands, this singular act has made it such that our primary allies, the Gnomes, have left us. I, for one, value their company. If you are still bent on war, go ahead, but do not target us with your ill magics and stolen technology. This communiqué will need the blessing of either Lannon or another Technomancer, though, before it is ratified as policy. Rep. ------------------ "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus LazyDM Member posted 04-10-2001 03:28 PM Hoof and mouth disease strike the Tuigan Horde. The illithid brain-pools are stricken with Cascade Fever. The influx of people from Athas also brings an influx of new diseases as well. Big nasty diseases some would almost call intelligent, but then those people probably already are hallucinating with fever so no one would listen to their ramblings anyway. [This message has been edited by LazyDM (edited 04-10-2001).] Edena_of_Neith Member posted 04-10-2001 03:35 PM Very well. As of this moment (at least) there is a cease fire. All fighting between the Elven / Faerie / Dwarven-Gnomish-Halfling / Angelic Alliance, and the Technomancer Confederation (and all it's allies) has stopped. These two gigantic powers are eyeing each other warily, rebuilding as well as they can, and fortifying their defenses, but hostilities have ceased. The illithid remain quiet in the Underdark. The angels continue to fight the fiends, but that is a minor aside. (At least, it is minor compared to what will happen when war breaks back out.) There is now a chance for all three sides: elves, technomancers, and illithid, to come to the table and hammer out a peace agreement. Does anyone attempt this? (ANYONE involved in Posting to this Thread has a right to come forward, and attempt the peace treaty.) [This message has been edited by Edena_of_Neith (edited 04-10-2001).] Mr. Draco Member posted 04-10-2001 03:36 PM Too late, when wizards of the coast made the 3e psionic handbook, they knew that it meant JEDI. But to be fair, no empire or alliance. However the psionists still call on Skywalker and the Jedi for help. *Drumroll* Enter the Jedi, allies with the psionists, and to be fair, devoid of technology except for their lightsabers (come on what's a jedi without a lightsaber) And I, as Jedi Master (and ex: admiral) Draco, co-leader of the Jedi/Psionist League now deliver this message on our behalf. "All psionic creatures, join together, we will combat this menace that attepts to stop the progression of technology. Report with your local psionist allies to join the new power. (this includes mind flayers and the like) Now that we have gathered our power, it is time to tip the balance, we pledge alliance to the technomancy, if they are willing, we will help to protect the development of technology." P.S. I think that they would also like to know our secrets of lightsaber production. buzzard Member posted 04-10-2001 03:39 PM Minimal support will be provided to the devils. Also we are just holding our lines as per Reprisal's reccomendation. If, by chance, we have any way of gauging the Illithids intentions, we may become more receptive to their offers. Also, keep in mind that it was the humanoids that offered alliance with the devils. Not ourselves. While they are our allies, they are not our leaders. Also no support whatsoever will be offered to the defilers. After seeing what damage they unleash, we will be expelling them from out lands. Resistance will be punished with a bullet in the head(from the magic sniper weapons). Any sort of alliance with such beings is summarily rejected. Buzzard LazyDM Member posted 04-10-2001 03:39 PM A mitichlorian rhinovirus wipes out the Jedi population. Jar Jar spread it. Edena_of_Neith Member posted 04-10-2001 03:42 PM The Technomancy expels the Defilers from their lands. The Chosen applaud this, obviously. It becomes apparent to all that the Technomancy wants peace. It is up to the elves and the illithids (and the other minor powers.) Will they come, and attempt a peace treaty, or plunge Toril back into war? Reprisal Member posted 04-10-2001 03:43 PM I just remembered that Lannon et al are probably at work or classes. I'm blessed and cursed with a day off until 7pm PST, so I must push the Policy through our parliaments myself. We have a majority, or a majority coalition in each of our nations, so it shouldn't be all that difficult. In any event, we will stand and let Fate handle the problem with the Outsiders, who are worse than the Elder Races, IMO, and enter into International Relations once things have calmed down a bit. In essence, remove the Technocracy power level from "our" side until the devils are beaten back. Oh, and Edena, let the dwarves and gnomes know that we have not sanctioned the use of such creatures and will not use them. If the forces under Forrester try to retreat back from their lines to our nations, they will be fired upon. I urge Forrester to be rid of his devils, though we believe in the right to National Self-Determination, we do not condone the use of said creatures. Be rid of them, and we'll talk, if you are still bent on killing the Elves, who were defeated by our standards, go ahead. If the Illithids are more "neutral" now, I will relay a message to them, it will be the communiqué. I will not send any envoys though, for I trust the Mind Flayers far less than I trust the humanoids at this point. Rep. ------------------ "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus Reprisal Member posted 04-10-2001 03:43 PM I jump at the chance to hammer out an agreement. (Post Edit) I also issue an apology to Buzzard for jumping the gun, we got a little worried there. Rep. ------------------ "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus [This message has been edited by Reprisal (edited 04-10-2001).] [This message has been edited by Reprisal (edited 04-10-2001).] buzzard Member posted 04-10-2001 03:45 PM quote: Originally posted by Edena_of_Neith: Very well. Does anyone attempt this? (ANYONE involved in Posting to this Thread has a right to come forward, and attempt the peace treaty.) [This message has been edited by Edena_of_Neith (edited 04-10-2001).] The Technocracy makes no demands but a calls a permanent ceasefire (think Korea). Boundaries will remain static as current. No demands for reparations are given. This position will not budge. Given the behavior of our enemies, I hardly think we will ever trust them. Half are the havok wreaking elves, and the others are turncoats from our side. There may be peace, but there will be no amity. Buzzard Edena_of_Neith Member posted 04-10-2001 03:47 PM The other side must respond, Reprisal. All hostilities have ceased, until then. Except for the angel/fiend battles, but again - they is aside from the point. There are minor skirmishes, obviously, between the various allied forces - with so many different parties in the field, they would be skirmishes. But again, this is minor. The Technomancy has declared it wishes peace, is willing to expel the devils, has already expelled the Defilers, and has ceased all hostilities. Now, it is up to the Elves / Faeries / Angels, and the Illithid. And the others. zouron Member posted 04-10-2001 03:47 PM since a possible treaty is up, I remain silent for now with my answer, I see that most other have sought outside help, yet the most powerful forces are yet untouched, I immidiately summons the efreeti and elementals to help (major alliance with fire, minor with air and earth). My armies of undead will turn anyone foolish enough to attack us into new recruits. Efreeti are promised spells of power against the Djinns, the great sultan will slaves, gold power spells for his mens effort. The elementals will be offered magic and weapons against the elemental water forces. My people will even trade for the body of the fall dead from fallen armies. No enemy will be shown mercy in any way. Also attempt to recruit the lone psionics will start, promising them resources for their study in exchange for aid. Peasents will be promised land and fair laws to work for us. Anyone entering the land we claims as ours without promision will be slaughtered on sight and turns into as powerful undead as possible. We might not be the most recon force but soon our powers will raise. Defence of the land is still a prime aspect using the latest spy techniques as well as powerful forces of udnead. random raides into neighbours will be conducted (except those we trade with), and the green skins can plunder what riches they find as long as body for our armies are gathered. signed zouron Alzem Dalcama Member posted 04-10-2001 03:48 PM quote: Posted by Edena_of_Neith Alzem, where exactly do you set up the Neutral Zone? What country? What continent? on an island that has not ben ravaged by the war, if possible create one off to the west of waterdeep (500 miles approx.) OK this war has started to escilate beyond anyone groups abality tp stop so We will start to tone down the wholesale salughter of the people. 1. There is massive war and destruction across the entire world of Toril, as the angels and demons battle it out. As we fight the demons we will attemt to repair any damage that was caused during our fights. Also we will attemt to keep the civilans casualities as small as possible, possibly even sacrafiving angles to keep large numbers of innocents from being killed. 2. The defilers are a special kind of mage. They advance at TWICE the rate of normal mages, in experience point terms. But every time they cast a spell, it kills plant life in the immediate vicinity. The higher level the spell, the more plant life it kills. The high level spells of the Defilers also kill animals, and cause agonizing pain to humans and demi-humans. The 10th level psionic enchantments, kill humans and demi-humans. These spells also destroy water. Defiling magic is the reason Athas is a burned wasteland, ruined and waterless. The Chosen of Mystra continue to kill every Defiler they find, without mercy or remorse, and they will not stop until the last Defiler is driven from the world. Here i expect the help of Bran and the Druidic alliance in helping to drive these reapers of death back to their on lands. We will assist in any way necessary, but the demons and Devils are sill Our first priority. 3. Zouron's undecided force of undead remains at Power Level 2 We want to Find Zouron if he is known to exist and try to enlist bot his and the Illithids help in closing ALL the portals to this world. The MindFlayers begin to experience something many in their race never have the good fortune to feel... contentment. The alignment of the greater MindFlayer population on Toril begins to shift, very slowly, from evil to neutral. ------------------ Cleric of St. Cuthbert "I?m about to drop the hammer, and dispense some indiscriminate justice!" [This message has been edited by Alzem Dalcama (edited 04-10-2001).] Mr. Draco Member posted 04-10-2001 03:50 PM Won't work, this is why: Firstly: "Midi-chlorian- this species of microscopic organism is known to the Jedi Knights as a symbiotic creature that exists within the cells of every living creature. Life in the galaxy is dependent upon the midi-chlorians" So if the midi-chlorians are wipped out, so is everything else, i doubt that the gods would like to see all of their creations suddenely wipped out by a disease. So they intervine and stop it before it can cause any damage to anybody. Bummer. Anyways, If anyone in the technocracy is willing to acknowledge an alliance, it will become official, then the combined might of the technocracy and Jedi/Psionic league will supply ample bargaining power if a peace agreement is attempted, if not, well what is so bad about having several thousand jedi and psionists, (including mind flayers and the like) on your side? Edena_of_Neith Member posted 04-10-2001 03:51 PM Based on the above posts ... Everyone on Toril realizes just about simultaneously that there is a chance ... a chance ... that this could be stopped. Toril is on the brink. The brink of a war of annihilation. But it appears everyone has woken up to this fact, just in time. There is a chance to turn this thing off. A chance for peace. The world will never be the same again, but there is a chance to have a world, to expel the destructive Outsiders, the Defilers, the others. There is this one chance. The Burned Man Member posted 04-10-2001 04:01 PM I Dregoth UNDEAD sorcerer-king approach Zouron and offer an alliance.... I will learn you the way of the Mind if you allow me access to the secrets of Torilian magic.... I send out missionaries to humanoids offering them power if they worship me.... *continues research on psionic enchantment* buzzard Member posted 04-10-2001 04:07 PM quote: Originally posted by Mr. Draco: Anyways, If anyone in the technocracy is willing to acknowledge an alliance, it will become official, then the combined might of the technocracy and Jedi/Psionic league will supply ample bargaining power if a peace agreement is attempted, if not, well what is so bad about having several thousand jedi and psionists, (including mind flayers and the like) on your side? Sure, we're OK with an allaince. However it will just be a defensive alliance since we just don't want to fight anymore. We also will be a touch leery. We've been burned before. Also, if the outsiders can be convinced to leave, we're game. Buzzard (not trying to speak for all technos, but I think I'm on the right side of things) Riot Gear Member posted 04-10-2001 04:07 PM I am the Illithid emissary. "My name cannot be encompassed by your mind, but you may refer to me as Mindetcher. I have been sent from the underrealms to discuss the expulsion of the Blood War from Faerun. Our terms are simple. You leave us alone when we finish expelling them, and we will do the same to you. We will not trouble you for many, many decades. Agreed?" I'm in Technomancy territory at the moment, and I haven't eaten anyone yet, though a lot of dead dogs have shown up... (Hey, they're ALMOST sentient. They help me avoid eating any sentients.) ------------------ Grap a mop, there's going to be blood on the ceiling!! -My character. Mr. Draco Member posted 04-10-2001 04:08 PM Hah, dregoth, the secrets of the mind belong to me , Co-leader of the Jedi/Psionic League. And the one still awaiting a reply from the technocracy. To gain the secrets of the mind, you would have to defeat an army of thousands upon thousands of jedi and psionists, (not to mention mind-flayers and the like) Forrester Member posted 04-10-2001 04:12 PM It looks like we (the humanoids) can't afford to wait until 7PM EST. Dammit. First: Edena, you gave the Devils, w/WW1 weaponry (that includes nitro/dynamite), an essential power level of 3 (we went from 9 to 12). You're giving the Demons a power level of 5. (We went from 12 to 16 with the aid of the defilers, I gather, as well as other additional allies.) So the well-organized horde of devils with technomagical support count as power level "3", but the Demons count as power level "5"? You know, if there were that many more demons than devils, we would have allied with *them*! It seems every time we get an ally, they suck compared to the force coming in on the other side. Druids, power 5? The combined force of the Technomancy AND the millions of well-armed humanoids was only power 7 at the end of year 5. Are the druids that numerous and do they have power equivalent to bugbears with gatling guns? If you insist on this seeming anti-humanoid bias, then sure. We'll formally disavow and end any alliance with the Devils. We've given them advanced technology already anyway. So we'll do a little supplying behind the lines, perhaps . . . nothing serious. It isn't as though at this point they can't operate efficiently independently. (If they are, in fact, more powerful than power level 3, let me know.) Second: Re the defilers. We will formally disavow contact with them as well. (Don't worry, guys . . . we'll support you as well behind the scenes. Not completely and totally, of course -- but the "official" technomancy will have a very difficult time finding you.) I'll point out to Edena that given we've taken a lot of the factories and such to the Underdark, and have always relied a great deal on fungi and cave lizards and rivers in the Underdark, above-ground "Defilement" isn't a big deal to us. Especially if it's aimed at the elves. Those silly Defilers! Working Independently! Let me know if I've messed anything up with the backstory . . . Forrester By the way -- the Teleport Without Error ability of the stronger devils should be DEVASTATING . . . given that they can carry technomagical explosives with them. Aiming for the Gnome/Dwarf laboratories, of course, if possible. We have the tech edge right now. We're taking advantage of it. Damn those devils, working independently! Kind of. Finally, Imps are devils. And Imps can cause a LOT more havok than Kender can. The power level of Devils w/Cheaty Technomagic should be a lot greater. (Have the Gith made any progress w/their Psionic research? Perhaps the defilers can help?) Phasmus Member posted 04-10-2001 04:18 PM The second emissary of the MindFlayers came... It was covered in black shiny carapace-like armor which hummed and glinted with psionic power. It's eyes were shielded from the dim light with a pair of large black goggles. The only flesh of the creature that could be seen were its tendrils... which darted in and out of a small pouch hanging in front of where it's mouth would be. It was securely, but comfortably, fastened to a chairlike metal framework. On its head, over its armor, sat a black crystal circlet... a psionic dampener which would prevent anything more strenuous than mental communication from effecting or being produced by the Illithid. It had taken great pains to make itself seem as harmless to the poor, easily frightened, thralls as possible. Bearing its seat it were four Scorp Thralls... conditioned to obey its every command without question, regardless of psionic control. The mind flayer's minions bear their master toward the council of the other faction members. Before they have a chance to rise or speak, the creature's voice slips into their minds like sand through ones fingers... "Greetings the SunLit ones... I speak for the Illithid. I understand that you seek to discuss terms of peace. Not just peace between our own forces, perhaps... But the enforcement of peace across the face of Toril. We are willing to help you bring about this goal... oh yes. At the very least, we will not take up arms against you without cause. We are very happy with our current situation, you see... Oh yes... If you desire our help, concessions on your part will be necessary. We wish to put the conflict behind us, you see... We will help you find peace, if you will not attempt to interfere with us after all is said and done. If you agree, our forces will set about aiding yours in pacifying the world... and purging the undead menace. If not, we will wait below... and claim what remains of your world at the end of it all. Would that you will not force us to take the latter course. There is mutual profit to be had in our association..." The final results of the discussion are, of course, pending. For the record, the MindFlayers are STILL searching for ways to gain control of the world, and banish the sun... but their motives and intentions have changed somewhat, as has the likelihood of their immediately employing such knowledge should they succeed in finding it. Regards, Phasmus & Co. "When in doubt, use duct tape." The Burned Man Member posted 04-10-2001 04:18 PM I Dregoth am a master of Will and the Way, your paltry powers are nothing compared to mine (20th/20th/9th defiler/psion/dragon, undead in 2e, so he´s a 29th level psion) all athasians have wild talents.... *contiues researching his VERY special spell* Forrester Member posted 04-10-2001 04:23 PM Draco -- we welcome you to our side, should you allow us to inspect whatever technology you've got with you. Dregoth -- sorry, we ain't worshpping you. You may be our allies. Nothing more. EDIT: Right now the Technomancy wants you dead, the elven alliance wants you dead . . pretty much everyone. We'll secretly give you sanctuary. It's your call. Illithids. Precisely what was your offer? Peace? Will you strike the elves? What's the deal? After you explain what it is, we tell you to go to hell, and eat you. Yummmmmm. Calamari. You canNOT trust squid-heads, people. You should know that . . . Forrester [This message has been edited by Forrester (edited 04-10-2001).] This topic is 16 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 All times are Central Time (US) This is an ARCHIVED topic. You may not reply to it! Hop to: Contact Us | D&D 3rd Edition News Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47b Note: This is an archived topic. It is read-only. D&D 3rd Edition News Board Other Archived Stuff What would your PCs do if gnomes invented the Industrial Revolution? (Page 13) UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! profile | register | preferences | faq | search This topic is 16 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 This topic was originally posted in this forum: General RPG Discussion Author Topic: What would your PCs do if gnomes invented the Industrial Revolution? Riot Gear Member posted 04-10-2001 04:26 PM That was dumb, Forrester. You're at WWI tech? We're at Starcraft Protoss tech. You are so screwed it isn't funny. On a related note, given that I control the Planewalkers, Eremith shows up from Athas. He hasn't done anything. Yet. ------------------ Grap a mop, there's going to be blood on the ceiling!! -My character. The Burned Man Member posted 04-10-2001 04:27 PM Worship me, humanoids, I can grant divine energy to those who do so... ...and I have come to possess an artifact which would aid you greatly towards the Illithid if they would come to turn against you... "The Psionatrix".... Phasmus Member posted 04-10-2001 04:28 PM Mr. Forrester, you were the one advocating the use of monstrosities from the lower planes, were you not? I fear you may not be the best judge of who and who not to trust. Our terms are simple. If we will be left alone after the war, we will help end the war now. If this is not agreed to, we will let you settle things on your own... and we will be left to pick up the pieces. Regards, Phasmus aka Don'Calamari The Burned Man Member posted 04-10-2001 04:28 PM Sorry Planeswalkers you cant. Dregoth has the planar gate (artifact), the only way to Athas (unless I´m missinformed?) Reprisal Member posted 04-10-2001 04:29 PM We're still in a period of cease-fire until an Abassador from the Elder Races gets here, correct? ------------------ "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus [/QUOTE]
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