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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 9167283" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>Leaving aside the introduction of the term "untenable" into the discussion, the offer was only "favorable" compared to what other people would have gotten with regard to the OGL v1.1 itself, not with the status quo established under the OGL v1.0a and the understanding that it was perpetual. To go from a more favorable status quo to a less favorable new paradigm (in terms of what everyone who wasn't WotC/Hasbro would consider "favorable") strikes me as being, well...unfavorable. Which is another way of saying suboptimal.</p><p></p><p>I disagree with regard to the backlash not being <em>fait accompli</em>, though I think it's kind of a moot point because the idea that the major third-party companies going along with the OGL v1.1 always struck me as ludicrous; it wasn't that long ago that almost every third-party company out there turned their nose up at the GSL (both versions), and that wasn't as harsh as the OGL v1.1 was. That the OGL v1.1 and its attempt to kill the OGL v1.0a would go over like a lead balloon was in no way unforeseeable.</p><p></p><p>This strikes me as <em>extremely</em> optimistic; based on WotC's responses to the public backlash, I'm of the opinion that <em>only</em> such a move would have gotten them to drop their alternative OGLs (remember, we saw a draft of v1.1, then heard about a 2.0, and finally saw a v1.2 floating around before they scrapped them all). Recall that Linda Codega also reported that it was the mass cancellations of D&D Beyond which finally got WotC to give up the ghost in that regard. (Also, while Codega's article detailing the leak might not have come out until January 5th, it wasn't a total surprise; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Game_License#Leaked_OGL1.1_draft" target="_blank">there had been rumors</a> since the previous November, though a lot of people, myself included, didn't believe them.)</p><p></p><p>Again, I disagree here, though I'll note again that this strikes me as a tangent of a tangent (of a tangent). While the entire thing is a counterfactual, the circumstantial evidence as I see it suggests that feedback from a select group of third-party publishers wasn't going to move WotC out of their position; it might have changed a <em>few</em> things with regards to the specifics, but I believe that whether or not the leaks happened, they were always going to put forward a new, more-restrictive license. Likewise, I think that the difference between what they "explored" and what they "actively tried to do" is paper-thin to the point of being nonexistent. They stopped before they "actually" revoked the OGL v1.0a, but only barely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 9167283, member: 8461"] Leaving aside the introduction of the term "untenable" into the discussion, the offer was only "favorable" compared to what other people would have gotten with regard to the OGL v1.1 itself, not with the status quo established under the OGL v1.0a and the understanding that it was perpetual. To go from a more favorable status quo to a less favorable new paradigm (in terms of what everyone who wasn't WotC/Hasbro would consider "favorable") strikes me as being, well...unfavorable. Which is another way of saying suboptimal. I disagree with regard to the backlash not being [i]fait accompli[/i], though I think it's kind of a moot point because the idea that the major third-party companies going along with the OGL v1.1 always struck me as ludicrous; it wasn't that long ago that almost every third-party company out there turned their nose up at the GSL (both versions), and that wasn't as harsh as the OGL v1.1 was. That the OGL v1.1 and its attempt to kill the OGL v1.0a would go over like a lead balloon was in no way unforeseeable. This strikes me as [i]extremely[/i] optimistic; based on WotC's responses to the public backlash, I'm of the opinion that [i]only[/i] such a move would have gotten them to drop their alternative OGLs (remember, we saw a draft of v1.1, then heard about a 2.0, and finally saw a v1.2 floating around before they scrapped them all). Recall that Linda Codega also reported that it was the mass cancellations of D&D Beyond which finally got WotC to give up the ghost in that regard. (Also, while Codega's article detailing the leak might not have come out until January 5th, it wasn't a total surprise; [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Game_License#Leaked_OGL1.1_draft]there had been rumors[/url] since the previous November, though a lot of people, myself included, didn't believe them.) Again, I disagree here, though I'll note again that this strikes me as a tangent of a tangent (of a tangent). While the entire thing is a counterfactual, the circumstantial evidence as I see it suggests that feedback from a select group of third-party publishers wasn't going to move WotC out of their position; it might have changed a [i]few[/i] things with regards to the specifics, but I believe that whether or not the leaks happened, they were always going to put forward a new, more-restrictive license. Likewise, I think that the difference between what they "explored" and what they "actively tried to do" is paper-thin to the point of being nonexistent. They stopped before they "actually" revoked the OGL v1.0a, but only barely. [/QUOTE]
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