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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 5648924" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>I don't consider that 3e or 3.5 were D&D. It's a bigger deviation from D&D than 4e was to 3e. I find it hypocritical of all the 3e fanboys who claim foul on 4e but don't say the same thing about 3.X edition.</p><p></p><p>That said, I see 3e and 3.5 the SAME GAME as Pathfinder. It's closer to 3.x then just about any game has been to it's predecessor. I'd say it's closer to 3.5 than 3.5 was to 3e. If you consider 3.x D&D you'd consider Pathfinder D&D.</p><p></p><p>It's the opposite of AD&D/D&D and 3.X/D20. In there the rules were different, but someone tried calling it the same name.</p><p></p><p>In D20/3.X and Pathfinder, the rules are basically the same with some tweaks, they just renamed it.</p><p></p><p>In fact, I think I'm HAPPIER with it being called Pathfinder then 3.X since there is NO illusion or hiding that it's D&D. It's now its OWN GAME like it should have been from the first. It should have always been called something other then D&D, now it is.</p><p></p><p>So is it D&D? As already stated, depends on what your definition of the game is, and whether you considered 3e and 3.5 as D&D or not.</p><p></p><p>For the intents and purposes of this forum, as long as I'm calling 3.X D&D which I suppose I do so others understand what I'm saying most of the time, I think it would fall under that framework of D&D.</p><p></p><p>PS: Now on whether it's a better game or not than D&D...I'm much happier to acquiesce that Pathfinder is a great game for what it's designed to do, however when it was called 3.X I consider it an atrocity in many ways. Why...it truly is all in the name. One was trying to say it was something it wasn't, the other resides happily in being what it is. Pathfinder may even be better then D&D (and note I'm talking about the REAL D&D, not the 3.X editions or 4e) in mechanics and gameplay...but I'm one of those old school grognards another thread refers too, and I'm constantly grumpy!</p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 5648924, member: 4348"] I don't consider that 3e or 3.5 were D&D. It's a bigger deviation from D&D than 4e was to 3e. I find it hypocritical of all the 3e fanboys who claim foul on 4e but don't say the same thing about 3.X edition. That said, I see 3e and 3.5 the SAME GAME as Pathfinder. It's closer to 3.x then just about any game has been to it's predecessor. I'd say it's closer to 3.5 than 3.5 was to 3e. If you consider 3.x D&D you'd consider Pathfinder D&D. It's the opposite of AD&D/D&D and 3.X/D20. In there the rules were different, but someone tried calling it the same name. In D20/3.X and Pathfinder, the rules are basically the same with some tweaks, they just renamed it. In fact, I think I'm HAPPIER with it being called Pathfinder then 3.X since there is NO illusion or hiding that it's D&D. It's now its OWN GAME like it should have been from the first. It should have always been called something other then D&D, now it is. So is it D&D? As already stated, depends on what your definition of the game is, and whether you considered 3e and 3.5 as D&D or not. For the intents and purposes of this forum, as long as I'm calling 3.X D&D which I suppose I do so others understand what I'm saying most of the time, I think it would fall under that framework of D&D. PS: Now on whether it's a better game or not than D&D...I'm much happier to acquiesce that Pathfinder is a great game for what it's designed to do, however when it was called 3.X I consider it an atrocity in many ways. Why...it truly is all in the name. One was trying to say it was something it wasn't, the other resides happily in being what it is. Pathfinder may even be better then D&D (and note I'm talking about the REAL D&D, not the 3.X editions or 4e) in mechanics and gameplay...but I'm one of those old school grognards another thread refers too, and I'm constantly grumpy! :) [/QUOTE]
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