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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 4996959" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>Better check your math. An attack stat of 24, a +15 level bonus, and a +4 weapon comes out to +26, not +30.</p><p></p><p>Now, let's make the weapon a bit more plausible. +4 is really quite low - you should have at least a +5 by that level. Since you're not optimized, though, you maybe went with a battle-axe instead of a nice accurate sword. So, a base attack stat of 16 boosted to 24 (+7), level bonus (+15), and a +5 battle-axe (+7), comes out to +29 with proficiency bonus included.</p><p></p><p>Against the tarrasque, that means you have to roll 14 or higher, giving you a 65% miss chance. Then consider that the tarrasque is a brute, and its AC is a bit low even for that. A "normal" solo of that level would have an AC of 46; 80% miss chance. An ancient red dragon, being a soldier, has an AC of 48; 90% miss chance, meaning you have to roll a 19 or better!</p><p></p><p><em>Before Expertise was released, even your optimized Demigod-destiny buddy, with a 30 in his attack stat and wielding a +6 bastard sword, missed the dragon 65% of the time.</em></p><p></p><p>Now let's compare that to the same character at 3rd level, fighting a young white dragon with an AC of 18. Attack stat of 16 (+3), level bonus (+1), and a normal battle-axe (+2), comes out to a total of +6, meaning you hit on a roll of 12 or better - 55% miss chance. And the white dragon's AC is a bit higher than normal for a solo brute.</p><p></p><p>A solo soldier at 3rd level would have an AC of 21 and you'd hit it on a 15 or better. Not great, but a lot better than having to roll a 19!</p><p></p><p>Bottom line, your attack accuracy relative to monsters of your level drops by about 4 points relative to monster defenses as you advance from Heroic into Epic. So, yes, without Expertise the math is off.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 4996959, member: 58197"] Better check your math. An attack stat of 24, a +15 level bonus, and a +4 weapon comes out to +26, not +30. Now, let's make the weapon a bit more plausible. +4 is really quite low - you should have at least a +5 by that level. Since you're not optimized, though, you maybe went with a battle-axe instead of a nice accurate sword. So, a base attack stat of 16 boosted to 24 (+7), level bonus (+15), and a +5 battle-axe (+7), comes out to +29 with proficiency bonus included. Against the tarrasque, that means you have to roll 14 or higher, giving you a 65% miss chance. Then consider that the tarrasque is a brute, and its AC is a bit low even for that. A "normal" solo of that level would have an AC of 46; 80% miss chance. An ancient red dragon, being a soldier, has an AC of 48; 90% miss chance, meaning you have to roll a 19 or better! [i]Before Expertise was released, even your optimized Demigod-destiny buddy, with a 30 in his attack stat and wielding a +6 bastard sword, missed the dragon 65% of the time.[/i] Now let's compare that to the same character at 3rd level, fighting a young white dragon with an AC of 18. Attack stat of 16 (+3), level bonus (+1), and a normal battle-axe (+2), comes out to a total of +6, meaning you hit on a roll of 12 or better - 55% miss chance. And the white dragon's AC is a bit higher than normal for a solo brute. A solo soldier at 3rd level would have an AC of 21 and you'd hit it on a 15 or better. Not great, but a lot better than having to roll a 19! Bottom line, your attack accuracy relative to monsters of your level drops by about 4 points relative to monster defenses as you advance from Heroic into Epic. So, yes, without Expertise the math is off. [/QUOTE]
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