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<blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 3052675" data-attributes="member: 12037"><p>I find it highly unlikely that the DM didn't realize that the PCs couldn't make the save before putting the trap there. That would be DM incompetance in my book. So unless we assume the DM is a moron, he put that save DC above the PCs' ability knowing that if they pulled the lever, someone would die.</p><p></p><p>My only idea for that is he thought that the PCs wouldn't pull it, so the save DC didn't matter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Many DMs don't change something just becuase the PCs do something unexpected. Does the mysterious wizard informant suddenly drop 5 levels because the PCs attacked him? I don't play that way. I wouldn't have ever made this trap, though, so I wouldn't need to change it on the fly in the first place. </p><p></p><p>Why would the DM purposely set the DC so that they PCs couldn't make it then at the last minute change it to save one of them? A change of heart?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Once I was playing a PC fighter named Cal. We beat down a veritable horde of undead and found ourselves in the basement of the keep of an ancient castle. In this room was a swirling pool of earth: rock, dirt, and all assortments of the element.</p><p></p><p>Cal put his finger into it.</p><p></p><p>It was actually an Earth Weird (MMII), and Cal had to make a saving throw or be turned to stone, fall into the rolling earth, and be crushed into a thousand pieces never to be seen again. The save DC was so high that Cal had to roll an 18 or better (I looked it up later, those Weirds are insane). </p><p></p><p>The DM never thought I would do something like that. I didn't expect the consequences of my actions to be so dire. But, he played them out exactly like the book said. Now, I rolled a natural 20, so I didn't get to test that, but I do believe that he would have killed my character.</p><p></p><p>Now a swirling pool of earth is a whole lot more of a hint of DO NOT TOUCH!!! than a lever on the floor. I realize that I shouldn't have touched the earthen pool that was sitting at the bottom of an undead infested keep. But, at the time it seemed like a good idea for some reason. Hey, hindsight is 20/20.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThirdWizard, post: 3052675, member: 12037"] I find it highly unlikely that the DM didn't realize that the PCs couldn't make the save before putting the trap there. That would be DM incompetance in my book. So unless we assume the DM is a moron, he put that save DC above the PCs' ability knowing that if they pulled the lever, someone would die. My only idea for that is he thought that the PCs wouldn't pull it, so the save DC didn't matter. Many DMs don't change something just becuase the PCs do something unexpected. Does the mysterious wizard informant suddenly drop 5 levels because the PCs attacked him? I don't play that way. I wouldn't have ever made this trap, though, so I wouldn't need to change it on the fly in the first place. Why would the DM purposely set the DC so that they PCs couldn't make it then at the last minute change it to save one of them? A change of heart? Once I was playing a PC fighter named Cal. We beat down a veritable horde of undead and found ourselves in the basement of the keep of an ancient castle. In this room was a swirling pool of earth: rock, dirt, and all assortments of the element. Cal put his finger into it. It was actually an Earth Weird (MMII), and Cal had to make a saving throw or be turned to stone, fall into the rolling earth, and be crushed into a thousand pieces never to be seen again. The save DC was so high that Cal had to roll an 18 or better (I looked it up later, those Weirds are insane). The DM never thought I would do something like that. I didn't expect the consequences of my actions to be so dire. But, he played them out exactly like the book said. Now, I rolled a natural 20, so I didn't get to test that, but I do believe that he would have killed my character. Now a swirling pool of earth is a whole lot more of a hint of DO NOT TOUCH!!! than a lever on the floor. I realize that I shouldn't have touched the earthen pool that was sitting at the bottom of an undead infested keep. But, at the time it seemed like a good idea for some reason. Hey, hindsight is 20/20. [/QUOTE]
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