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<blockquote data-quote="Votan" data-source="post: 3264247" data-attributes="member: 18680"><p>It depends a lot on what opponent you are facing. </p><p></p><p>Consider three cases:</p><p></p><p>1) Ancient Blue Dragon. Base AC 38. Touch AC 6. Net benefit for casting this spell + 32 to hit. </p><p></p><p>2) Will-o-wisp. Base AC 29. Touch AC 29. Net benefit for casting this spell +0 to hit</p><p></p><p>3) Hybrid Form Werewolf. Base AC 16. Touch AC 12. Net benefit for casting this spell +4 to hit.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is an interesting spell as it seems to do more at high levels and fails against a lot of opponents. A Quickened True Strike is usually much better except vs. very high level and high AC opponents. </p><p></p><p>So long as the spell is only being used by Eldritch Knights at medium levels it is fine; if these attacks (even paired with Arcane Strike) are competing with disintegrate spells and Destruction spells than it is a fine and balanced option. </p><p></p><p>But 2nd level has a few big problems:</p><p></p><p>1) It is eay to get with a few levels of dipping (Abjurant Champion with one level of wizard or sorcerer; get Nerveskitter and Wraithstrike plus Shield to qualify, use nothing else but these spells and still be very happy for the loss of one point of BAB)</p><p></p><p>2) Extra Spell can be a problem if Rangers/Paladins/Duskblades/Clerics can use it to select this spell. </p><p></p><p>3) Not pinnacle; casting second level spells, except at very low levels, is not a significant resource drain. So the character can save pinnacle spells for more dangerous things. </p><p></p><p>Making it a 3rd or 4th level spell would be an enormous step forward. I think 5th is too high as a Quickened True Strike is a better overall spell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Votan, post: 3264247, member: 18680"] It depends a lot on what opponent you are facing. Consider three cases: 1) Ancient Blue Dragon. Base AC 38. Touch AC 6. Net benefit for casting this spell + 32 to hit. 2) Will-o-wisp. Base AC 29. Touch AC 29. Net benefit for casting this spell +0 to hit 3) Hybrid Form Werewolf. Base AC 16. Touch AC 12. Net benefit for casting this spell +4 to hit. It is an interesting spell as it seems to do more at high levels and fails against a lot of opponents. A Quickened True Strike is usually much better except vs. very high level and high AC opponents. So long as the spell is only being used by Eldritch Knights at medium levels it is fine; if these attacks (even paired with Arcane Strike) are competing with disintegrate spells and Destruction spells than it is a fine and balanced option. But 2nd level has a few big problems: 1) It is eay to get with a few levels of dipping (Abjurant Champion with one level of wizard or sorcerer; get Nerveskitter and Wraithstrike plus Shield to qualify, use nothing else but these spells and still be very happy for the loss of one point of BAB) 2) Extra Spell can be a problem if Rangers/Paladins/Duskblades/Clerics can use it to select this spell. 3) Not pinnacle; casting second level spells, except at very low levels, is not a significant resource drain. So the character can save pinnacle spells for more dangerous things. Making it a 3rd or 4th level spell would be an enormous step forward. I think 5th is too high as a Quickened True Strike is a better overall spell. [/QUOTE]
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