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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7773532" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I would consider Transformers a reasonable counter-example, although for the life of me I cannot understand how such thoroughly stupid and poorly written movies continued to make money after the first one. I can grant the nostalgia on the first one, and as a kid who owned transformers and had watched the series every day after school, I was super-excited to see Optimus Prime (with the original voice actor) on the big screen as well. But yeah, just goes to show that you don't have to make art to make money.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but the original based on the book is far and away the best movie, and is arguably a work of genius - this is Spielberg and John Williams we are talking about. The glass of water scene is one of the most iconic in movie history, as is the first view of the dinosaurs with Williams soaring track, and 'objects in the mirror...'. It's not a perfect movie by any means, but it's utterly iconic and the process of adapting the book is aided by the fact that Crichton is very much a novel to screen sort of author with a long history of bringing his material to the big screen and a somewhat proven track record. Any money made in the series afterwards was mostly cashing in on the original movies success, much as for example a 'Star Wars' movie is going to make money mostly by being 'Star Wars' regardless of (as we have seen) the quality of the movie as a stand alone story. (Granted, if that well looks like it is running dry.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While you make a good rebuttal with Transformers, this one on the contrary absolutely makes my point. The original 'Pirates of the Caribbean' is absolutely a work of genius, with a script that mostly just works, some of the best fight cinematography of all time, and iconic immortal character work by Johnny Depp, and again one of the best scores of all time. That this work was inspired by a theme park ride is both stunning and largely irrelevant. Compare the original with other attempts by Disney to do the same thing, such as the dreadful 'Tomorrow Land'. Striking gold like 'Pirates of the Caribbean' is not easy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, but in those cases you were dealing with IP that was already a massive cultural phenomenon - some of the biggest selling book series of all time, if not THE biggest selling book series of all time. Table top RPGs are extremely niche by comparison.</p><p></p><p>Remember, we couldn't even get Acererak into 'Ready Player One', and really, doesn't show up much in the novel either if you think about it. The great majority of the time in the dungeon is spent playing Joust, and the adventure is handwaved away by the author.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7773532, member: 4937"] I would consider Transformers a reasonable counter-example, although for the life of me I cannot understand how such thoroughly stupid and poorly written movies continued to make money after the first one. I can grant the nostalgia on the first one, and as a kid who owned transformers and had watched the series every day after school, I was super-excited to see Optimus Prime (with the original voice actor) on the big screen as well. But yeah, just goes to show that you don't have to make art to make money. Yes, but the original based on the book is far and away the best movie, and is arguably a work of genius - this is Spielberg and John Williams we are talking about. The glass of water scene is one of the most iconic in movie history, as is the first view of the dinosaurs with Williams soaring track, and 'objects in the mirror...'. It's not a perfect movie by any means, but it's utterly iconic and the process of adapting the book is aided by the fact that Crichton is very much a novel to screen sort of author with a long history of bringing his material to the big screen and a somewhat proven track record. Any money made in the series afterwards was mostly cashing in on the original movies success, much as for example a 'Star Wars' movie is going to make money mostly by being 'Star Wars' regardless of (as we have seen) the quality of the movie as a stand alone story. (Granted, if that well looks like it is running dry.) While you make a good rebuttal with Transformers, this one on the contrary absolutely makes my point. The original 'Pirates of the Caribbean' is absolutely a work of genius, with a script that mostly just works, some of the best fight cinematography of all time, and iconic immortal character work by Johnny Depp, and again one of the best scores of all time. That this work was inspired by a theme park ride is both stunning and largely irrelevant. Compare the original with other attempts by Disney to do the same thing, such as the dreadful 'Tomorrow Land'. Striking gold like 'Pirates of the Caribbean' is not easy. Sure, but in those cases you were dealing with IP that was already a massive cultural phenomenon - some of the biggest selling book series of all time, if not THE biggest selling book series of all time. Table top RPGs are extremely niche by comparison. Remember, we couldn't even get Acererak into 'Ready Player One', and really, doesn't show up much in the novel either if you think about it. The great majority of the time in the dungeon is spent playing Joust, and the adventure is handwaved away by the author. [/QUOTE]
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