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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7254610" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>You realize that the texts in question were written 1000's of years before the early modern witch scare and as a result referred to a wholly different sort of witchcraft than existed in the imagination of the 1600's, right?</p><p></p><p>For example, this is the freaking code of Hammurabi: "If a man has put a spell upon another man and it is not yet justified, he upon whom the spell is laid shall go to the holy river; into the holy river shall he plunge. If the holy river overcome him and he is drowned, the man who put the spell upon him shall take possession of his house. If the holy river declares him innocent and he remains unharmed the man who laid the spell shall be put to death. He that plunged into the river shall take possession of the house of him who laid the spell upon him."</p><p></p><p>And secondly, the statements I'm making referencing historical documentation which you would have access to if you read any sort of scholarly treatment of the witch panic. It is absolutely without doubt that the Medieval Christian Church did not believe either witches or witchcraft existed, and explicitly in its doctrine and its proclamations had forbid anyone for being executed as a witch. You can read St. Augustine to verify that, and such things as the Council of Paderborn, the Council of Frankfurt, the manuals of the Inquisition, and the directives of various popes. For example in 1258, Pope Alexander IV absolutely forbid the church from investigating any charges of witchcraft. All though this period, they had access to the Biblical texts, so why do you see a big change in practice from the practice of the medieval church and the big witch scares of the 16th and 17th century? And even during the height of the witch scare, the Catholic Church was by far the most skeptical institution regarding the notion of witchcraft in Europe. For example, when Malleus Maleficarum was first published, the Church banned it as heresy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who is trying to white wash anything? I just explained that 10's of thousands of people where killed because of a superstition and panic over a practice that the historical record suggests did not in fact exist. In other words, at the time the panic began there were no witches to persecute. Looking for witches, they invented them as a sort of fever dream. </p><p></p><p>I have the facts. I'd guess you have a grudge.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7254610, member: 4937"] You realize that the texts in question were written 1000's of years before the early modern witch scare and as a result referred to a wholly different sort of witchcraft than existed in the imagination of the 1600's, right? For example, this is the freaking code of Hammurabi: "If a man has put a spell upon another man and it is not yet justified, he upon whom the spell is laid shall go to the holy river; into the holy river shall he plunge. If the holy river overcome him and he is drowned, the man who put the spell upon him shall take possession of his house. If the holy river declares him innocent and he remains unharmed the man who laid the spell shall be put to death. He that plunged into the river shall take possession of the house of him who laid the spell upon him." And secondly, the statements I'm making referencing historical documentation which you would have access to if you read any sort of scholarly treatment of the witch panic. It is absolutely without doubt that the Medieval Christian Church did not believe either witches or witchcraft existed, and explicitly in its doctrine and its proclamations had forbid anyone for being executed as a witch. You can read St. Augustine to verify that, and such things as the Council of Paderborn, the Council of Frankfurt, the manuals of the Inquisition, and the directives of various popes. For example in 1258, Pope Alexander IV absolutely forbid the church from investigating any charges of witchcraft. All though this period, they had access to the Biblical texts, so why do you see a big change in practice from the practice of the medieval church and the big witch scares of the 16th and 17th century? And even during the height of the witch scare, the Catholic Church was by far the most skeptical institution regarding the notion of witchcraft in Europe. For example, when Malleus Maleficarum was first published, the Church banned it as heresy. Who is trying to white wash anything? I just explained that 10's of thousands of people where killed because of a superstition and panic over a practice that the historical record suggests did not in fact exist. In other words, at the time the panic began there were no witches to persecute. Looking for witches, they invented them as a sort of fever dream. I have the facts. I'd guess you have a grudge. [/QUOTE]
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