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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7254919" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>I think that is kind of a non-sequiter actually as the Code of Hammurabi is an arguable early echo of the ideas but definitely shouldnt be considered the texts in question. Partly because those following the religion would reject it outright (ok you may be right) I am not sure that it matters how far back the nonsense began that it was allowed to propagate seems to mean it was accepted later.</p><p></p><p>We do not even have anything approaching direct versions of anything from the 300s when they had opportunity to reject utterly the concept of witchcraft.</p><p></p><p>King James version is the most-read version of the Bible in the United States CURRENTLY if popularity is the measure one could just call it THE bible -- > Check out Africa for people dying because of this superstition right now. </p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.livescience.com/10603-belief-witchcraft-leads-murders-africa.html" target="_blank">https://www.livescience.com/10603-belief-witchcraft-leads-murders-africa.html</a></p><p></p><p>55 perent of us bible readers, read KJ vs its closest contender of 19 percent - "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" </p><p></p><p>Yes the murder of witches is a cherry most of the religious do not generally pick now but it once was and they barely seem to bother removing evil from their books. The number of people declaring this not so modern text "the perfect/word of god' is in the range of 40 percent in the US so this is not just a fluke, we have outright science rejection from this same source but that is subject of a separate discussion. </p><p></p><p>I blame religion for conditioning people to accept things based not on reason but on bald faced authority generally the bible/koran and the priestly authority who set themselves up as its interpretters ie it is their power, but that same conditioning enables others not just the church to more easily push various irrational claims (including later the persecution of jews).</p><p></p><p>The writer of Malleus Maleficarum wasnt exactly secular he was part of that religious hierarchy and said something that both fit with the bible and what the people wanted to believe. You know when the 2 most read books of the land both arguably religious sources say X and the believers do X, we can still have some priests asserting Y (but which do we call the actual "religion"?). I find the events difficult to not consider as sitting broadly on the doorstep of that religion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7254919, member: 82504"] I think that is kind of a non-sequiter actually as the Code of Hammurabi is an arguable early echo of the ideas but definitely shouldnt be considered the texts in question. Partly because those following the religion would reject it outright (ok you may be right) I am not sure that it matters how far back the nonsense began that it was allowed to propagate seems to mean it was accepted later. We do not even have anything approaching direct versions of anything from the 300s when they had opportunity to reject utterly the concept of witchcraft. King James version is the most-read version of the Bible in the United States CURRENTLY if popularity is the measure one could just call it THE bible -- > Check out Africa for people dying because of this superstition right now. [url]https://www.livescience.com/10603-belief-witchcraft-leads-murders-africa.html[/url] 55 perent of us bible readers, read KJ vs its closest contender of 19 percent - "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" Yes the murder of witches is a cherry most of the religious do not generally pick now but it once was and they barely seem to bother removing evil from their books. The number of people declaring this not so modern text "the perfect/word of god' is in the range of 40 percent in the US so this is not just a fluke, we have outright science rejection from this same source but that is subject of a separate discussion. I blame religion for conditioning people to accept things based not on reason but on bald faced authority generally the bible/koran and the priestly authority who set themselves up as its interpretters ie it is their power, but that same conditioning enables others not just the church to more easily push various irrational claims (including later the persecution of jews). The writer of Malleus Maleficarum wasnt exactly secular he was part of that religious hierarchy and said something that both fit with the bible and what the people wanted to believe. You know when the 2 most read books of the land both arguably religious sources say X and the believers do X, we can still have some priests asserting Y (but which do we call the actual "religion"?). I find the events difficult to not consider as sitting broadly on the doorstep of that religion. [/QUOTE]
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