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<blockquote data-quote="Darklone" data-source="post: 1512964" data-attributes="member: 1372"><p>Some historic examples of weapons: Viking "broadsword": 800 gr. Not that much more than your olympic fencing wire <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>Italian Greatsword (museum in Milano IIRC), length 1.60 m: Weight 1.5 kg. No chance to get around that thingy with a fencing wire... my favorite example if someone tells me that a guy with two daggers can hop in circles around a greatsword wielder. I tried that stunt once. Against a bloody beginner with the greatsword. He nearly scored the first hit. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Weeee, parry edge on edge... There are huge discussions in German swordfighting forums about that. We got two parties, the edgehackers and flatparry dudes... </p><p></p><p>German swordmanship most often show parries performed with the flat side of the blade. Well, that's what the edgehackers don't admit. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> They use blunt swords with 3mm edges and still break them over the time with their kind of combat. </p><p></p><p>As a material scientist, I'm often taken aback when people try to explain to me that a sword will rather break if I parry with the flat side instead of the "hard" edge. Typical for modern times, you can't convince people with science. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>In our group, we always try to parry with the flat side, similar to some Japanese kendo styles where some of our guys started. Sure, sometimes it's your last chance to block at all with the edge... that's usually when the whole group goes "Eeks, there goes on good blade..."</p><p></p><p>Edit: Barsoomcore: Sure, katana is slightly curved and has only one edge... but still the cutting technique and handling is nearly identical. There are some not often used moves for the backhand cuts, but these are mainly for experts. Some so called "swordmaster parries" take advantage of the straight blade by catching the opponents blade in mid-air softly without much pressure... I bet you know them. These maneuvers are more easy with a straight blade. Proper cuts (especially if you had to penetrate armour) are more easy with a curved blade. There are reasons after all why both types of blades were used <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darklone, post: 1512964, member: 1372"] Some historic examples of weapons: Viking "broadsword": 800 gr. Not that much more than your olympic fencing wire :D Italian Greatsword (museum in Milano IIRC), length 1.60 m: Weight 1.5 kg. No chance to get around that thingy with a fencing wire... my favorite example if someone tells me that a guy with two daggers can hop in circles around a greatsword wielder. I tried that stunt once. Against a bloody beginner with the greatsword. He nearly scored the first hit. :( Weeee, parry edge on edge... There are huge discussions in German swordfighting forums about that. We got two parties, the edgehackers and flatparry dudes... German swordmanship most often show parries performed with the flat side of the blade. Well, that's what the edgehackers don't admit. ;) They use blunt swords with 3mm edges and still break them over the time with their kind of combat. As a material scientist, I'm often taken aback when people try to explain to me that a sword will rather break if I parry with the flat side instead of the "hard" edge. Typical for modern times, you can't convince people with science. ;) In our group, we always try to parry with the flat side, similar to some Japanese kendo styles where some of our guys started. Sure, sometimes it's your last chance to block at all with the edge... that's usually when the whole group goes "Eeks, there goes on good blade..." Edit: Barsoomcore: Sure, katana is slightly curved and has only one edge... but still the cutting technique and handling is nearly identical. There are some not often used moves for the backhand cuts, but these are mainly for experts. Some so called "swordmaster parries" take advantage of the straight blade by catching the opponents blade in mid-air softly without much pressure... I bet you know them. These maneuvers are more easy with a straight blade. Proper cuts (especially if you had to penetrate armour) are more easy with a curved blade. There are reasons after all why both types of blades were used ;) [/QUOTE]
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