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KotSf magic items...Forked Thread: A 4E magic item conundrum
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<blockquote data-quote="silentounce" data-source="post: 4388808" data-attributes="member: 67099"><p>I mentioned this in another thread, let me break it down.</p><p></p><p>The level one treasure is correct as far as magic. Magic items of 2, 3, 4, and 5.</p><p>Coins equal 649.6 in gp. Plus two art items worth 630gp together. That's a bit high.</p><p></p><p>However, the second level treasure outlay follows. Magic items of 1, 3, 4, and 5. A first level item replaces the required 6th?</p><p>Coins equal 741 in gp. 10 art items worth 550 in gp together. And three potions of healing. </p><p></p><p>Level three treasure was magic items of 2, 3, 5, and 6. A 2 and 3 instead of a 4 and 7?</p><p>Coins equal 1560.4 in gp. 3 art items totaling 455 in gp together.</p><p></p><p>Total treasure for party levels 1, 2, and 3 should be, according to the DMG, 3115 in coins, art, and potions. In addition magic items as follows: 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, and 7.</p><p></p><p>Not cointing quest rewards, KotS gave out 2951 gp in coins. 1785 gp in art and potions. Totaling 4736. And as mentioned above magic items are equal except a missing 4th, 6th, and 7th which were replaced by a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Those missing magic items are worth 5240gp, and were only replaced by items worth 1560gp. That's a 3680 gp difference. But even including the quest rewards below KotS only gives an extra 2471 above the 3115 standard for those levels. That's a deficit of over 1200 gp.</p><p></p><p>Possible hook rewards of 250 and 250. The lord also offered rewards of 100 and 250. But you must also keep in mind that those quests also gave out xp, so those rewards are taking the place of parcels they could be getting from defeating enemies.</p><p></p><p>The biggest problem is obviously the inclusion of lower level magic items in replacing the higher level ones necessary. I'm not sure if they tried to balance this out by handing out more art items/coins. But even if they did, they came up short. Not to mention that this adventure came out before the books that contained anything for players to spend any of that extra coin on. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /></p><p></p><p>Heh, I hope that wasn't confusing. But I was trying to compile it as quickly as I could, I've got errands to run. Bottom line, KotS gave out more in art and coins than it was supposed to according to the DMG, but it gave out vastly inferior magic items. And the extra gp value in coins/art was not enough to balance out the deficiency in magic items.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="silentounce, post: 4388808, member: 67099"] I mentioned this in another thread, let me break it down. The level one treasure is correct as far as magic. Magic items of 2, 3, 4, and 5. Coins equal 649.6 in gp. Plus two art items worth 630gp together. That's a bit high. However, the second level treasure outlay follows. Magic items of 1, 3, 4, and 5. A first level item replaces the required 6th? Coins equal 741 in gp. 10 art items worth 550 in gp together. And three potions of healing. Level three treasure was magic items of 2, 3, 5, and 6. A 2 and 3 instead of a 4 and 7? Coins equal 1560.4 in gp. 3 art items totaling 455 in gp together. Total treasure for party levels 1, 2, and 3 should be, according to the DMG, 3115 in coins, art, and potions. In addition magic items as follows: 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, and 7. Not cointing quest rewards, KotS gave out 2951 gp in coins. 1785 gp in art and potions. Totaling 4736. And as mentioned above magic items are equal except a missing 4th, 6th, and 7th which were replaced by a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Those missing magic items are worth 5240gp, and were only replaced by items worth 1560gp. That's a 3680 gp difference. But even including the quest rewards below KotS only gives an extra 2471 above the 3115 standard for those levels. That's a deficit of over 1200 gp. Possible hook rewards of 250 and 250. The lord also offered rewards of 100 and 250. But you must also keep in mind that those quests also gave out xp, so those rewards are taking the place of parcels they could be getting from defeating enemies. The biggest problem is obviously the inclusion of lower level magic items in replacing the higher level ones necessary. I'm not sure if they tried to balance this out by handing out more art items/coins. But even if they did, they came up short. Not to mention that this adventure came out before the books that contained anything for players to spend any of that extra coin on. :confused: Heh, I hope that wasn't confusing. But I was trying to compile it as quickly as I could, I've got errands to run. Bottom line, KotS gave out more in art and coins than it was supposed to according to the DMG, but it gave out vastly inferior magic items. And the extra gp value in coins/art was not enough to balance out the deficiency in magic items. [/QUOTE]
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