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L&L: Putting the Vance in Vancian
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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 5834505" data-attributes="member: 1879"><p>While I'm all for having multiple magic systems in the game, the approach mentioned seems like a bad plan. </p><p></p><p>Consider, if the Vancian style spells are intended to be the wizbang with feat magic as the at-will but less powerful staple then either:</p><p></p><p>The feat-spells are gimped and the 'sorcerer' is the 'wizards' lackey at best, OR the feat-spells are on par with the vancian spells but since they are feats the wizards can take them too and the 'sorcerer' is still 2nd best to the 'wizard' who is, at worst, less flexible with his at will in exchange for the much greater flexibility of vancian spells!</p><p></p><p>Sucks to be the Sorcerer.</p><p></p><p>Now, there are ways to work around this but they all have obvious flaws. Frex the good feat-magics have class and level prerequisites that prevent the vancian casters from getting them. Flaw, this is exactly analagous to the 'fighter only' feats from 3e and it was annoying then. Not a good plan to carry forward.</p><p></p><p>Alternately the 'Sorcerer' class gets class related bonuses to his at-wills but then you have potential problems with multi-classing and dipping. </p><p></p><p>I think for a non-vancian caster you want his spells to be class features, not general feats. Whether this works like a 3e sorcerer, or some other method (and I can think of lots of them) doesn't matter, what matters is that he gets a pool the wizard cannot drink from. And vice-versa of course.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andor, post: 5834505, member: 1879"] While I'm all for having multiple magic systems in the game, the approach mentioned seems like a bad plan. Consider, if the Vancian style spells are intended to be the wizbang with feat magic as the at-will but less powerful staple then either: The feat-spells are gimped and the 'sorcerer' is the 'wizards' lackey at best, OR the feat-spells are on par with the vancian spells but since they are feats the wizards can take them too and the 'sorcerer' is still 2nd best to the 'wizard' who is, at worst, less flexible with his at will in exchange for the much greater flexibility of vancian spells! Sucks to be the Sorcerer. Now, there are ways to work around this but they all have obvious flaws. Frex the good feat-magics have class and level prerequisites that prevent the vancian casters from getting them. Flaw, this is exactly analagous to the 'fighter only' feats from 3e and it was annoying then. Not a good plan to carry forward. Alternately the 'Sorcerer' class gets class related bonuses to his at-wills but then you have potential problems with multi-classing and dipping. I think for a non-vancian caster you want his spells to be class features, not general feats. Whether this works like a 3e sorcerer, or some other method (and I can think of lots of them) doesn't matter, what matters is that he gets a pool the wizard cannot drink from. And vice-versa of course. [/QUOTE]
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