Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
Playing the Game
Play by Post
Living Worlds
Living 4th Edition
L4W Discussion Thread V
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="VanderLegion" data-source="post: 6010193" data-attributes="member: 6676620"><p>Okay, having found Pixies, I've decided I'm going to go with a pixie monk and just multiclass assassin to get Shadow Step. The two main things I really like from assassin for the hybrid are shadow step and ghost on the rooftops. With fly speed, ghost on the rooftops becomes pretty much completely unnecessary, so I can deal with only getting shadowstep as an encounter power.</p><p></p><p>I DO have a couple more questions though for pixies. For speed, they have Speed: 4 squares, fly 6 squares. So the two questions I have:</p><p>1) For monk powers that say to move (or shift, or fly) "your speed", would that only be the 4 squares, or would the fly speed count for that?</p><p>2) For feats/items etc that give +1 speed, does that apply only to the 4 square speed, or does it apply to the fly speed also?</p><p></p><p>I'm inclined to think that fly speed counts for move speed for powers and that +1 speed should apply to both, but there's some argument on the issue and what I've seen looking around hasn't seen any definite answers. There's a thread debating it on the Wizard's <a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28696265/Bonus_to_Speed?pg=1" target="_blank">community forums</a>. Pretty sure I'm going to go with Pixie either way, but the answers to those two questions could have some effect on feats/powers I take.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Here's a summary in favor of using fly speed and fly speed gaining bonuses from the arguments in that thread, posted another thread (specific pixie thread):</p><p></p><p>[sblock="Summary"]The argument most recently was done here in the QA forums: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...</p><p></p><p>In summary, WoTC defines speed as equal to the maximum distance moved using the Walk action. The RC specifies that you can use the Walk action with any movement mode. In other words, you explicitely CAN use your fly speed when using the Walk action. </p><p></p><p>So "shift your speed," means shift the distance you could move using the Walk action. You use the Walk action to fly, so you a pixie monk is able to use their fly speed to "shift your speed."</p><p></p><p>Alcestis disagrees with this (Fitz also did 9 months ago, but didn't partake in the more recent argument on the QA forums), but most everyone else agrees (e.g., Mand, Plaguescarred, Chaosmage, Artoomis, fugacity, Warrl, myself). </p><p></p><p>If Alcestis is right, then only a Pixie's ground speed is lowered by heavy armor. You also can't charge while using a climb speed or swim speed, as charge references speed, which means ground speed. </p><p></p><p>If Alcestis is wrong, bonuses to speed apply to all movement modes, as they are bonuses to the Walk action, which can be used with all movement modes. You also can charge using any movement mode, and heavy armor decreases a pixie's fly speed by 1. [/sblock]</p><p></p><p>Also, can small creatures use slings? I would be inclined to think yes, and there's a Kobald Slinger monster that's small and uses slings, but it doesn't specifically have the small keyword like shortbows, so again, worth asking. Again, makes a difference to my build. Using a spear for Pointed Step Style isn't quite as good with a pixie since I'd have to two-hand it, so if I can use a sling for skipping stone style, I think it'd work out better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VanderLegion, post: 6010193, member: 6676620"] Okay, having found Pixies, I've decided I'm going to go with a pixie monk and just multiclass assassin to get Shadow Step. The two main things I really like from assassin for the hybrid are shadow step and ghost on the rooftops. With fly speed, ghost on the rooftops becomes pretty much completely unnecessary, so I can deal with only getting shadowstep as an encounter power. I DO have a couple more questions though for pixies. For speed, they have Speed: 4 squares, fly 6 squares. So the two questions I have: 1) For monk powers that say to move (or shift, or fly) "your speed", would that only be the 4 squares, or would the fly speed count for that? 2) For feats/items etc that give +1 speed, does that apply only to the 4 square speed, or does it apply to the fly speed also? I'm inclined to think that fly speed counts for move speed for powers and that +1 speed should apply to both, but there's some argument on the issue and what I've seen looking around hasn't seen any definite answers. There's a thread debating it on the Wizard's [URL="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28696265/Bonus_to_Speed?pg=1"]community forums[/URL]. Pretty sure I'm going to go with Pixie either way, but the answers to those two questions could have some effect on feats/powers I take. EDIT: Here's a summary in favor of using fly speed and fly speed gaining bonuses from the arguments in that thread, posted another thread (specific pixie thread): [sblock="Summary"]The argument most recently was done here in the QA forums: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... In summary, WoTC defines speed as equal to the maximum distance moved using the Walk action. The RC specifies that you can use the Walk action with any movement mode. In other words, you explicitely CAN use your fly speed when using the Walk action. So "shift your speed," means shift the distance you could move using the Walk action. You use the Walk action to fly, so you a pixie monk is able to use their fly speed to "shift your speed." Alcestis disagrees with this (Fitz also did 9 months ago, but didn't partake in the more recent argument on the QA forums), but most everyone else agrees (e.g., Mand, Plaguescarred, Chaosmage, Artoomis, fugacity, Warrl, myself). If Alcestis is right, then only a Pixie's ground speed is lowered by heavy armor. You also can't charge while using a climb speed or swim speed, as charge references speed, which means ground speed. If Alcestis is wrong, bonuses to speed apply to all movement modes, as they are bonuses to the Walk action, which can be used with all movement modes. You also can charge using any movement mode, and heavy armor decreases a pixie's fly speed by 1. [/sblock] Also, can small creatures use slings? I would be inclined to think yes, and there's a Kobald Slinger monster that's small and uses slings, but it doesn't specifically have the small keyword like shortbows, so again, worth asking. Again, makes a difference to my build. Using a spear for Pointed Step Style isn't quite as good with a pixie since I'd have to two-hand it, so if I can use a sling for skipping stone style, I think it'd work out better. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
Playing the Game
Play by Post
Living Worlds
Living 4th Edition
L4W Discussion Thread V
Top