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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7700443" data-attributes="member: 6683613"><p>Let me see if I understand this. You complain about books that have only thirty pages which might be useful to you, then describe your ideal book as one which has maybe thirty pages useful to <em>others</em>. And when called on the self-centered perspective inherent in this, you attempt to defend yourself with an anecdote in which the player-useful material is not useful at your table... because you have decided to shut it all down by fiat. That does not exactly refute the accusation, to say the least. You didn't even <em>try</em> the material. You say you had "more fun" when the players acquiesced and did things your way, but your point of comparison is to your own stonewalling and the resulting arguments, not to a good-faith attempt to play the game another way. What's that supposed to prove?</p><p></p><p>And on top of all that, you don't even try to hide your patronizing, "DM Knows Best" attitude towards your own players. Here's a tip. I realize it's probably coming decades too late, but here it is anyway: Respect your players. You're there for them. When they tell you they want to use something, consider the possibility that they actually do have some idea about what they would find fun, and are asking you to help make that a reality. You don't <em>always</em> have to say yes, but when you don't, you should be able to give a clear and specific reason why not, rather than an openly contemptuous dismissal of the " 'Mage Book of Wowzerness' or something". And maybe if something is unusable in its published state, you can still modify it to preserve what the player finds fun about it while removing whatever it was that made it unusable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7700443, member: 6683613"] Let me see if I understand this. You complain about books that have only thirty pages which might be useful to you, then describe your ideal book as one which has maybe thirty pages useful to [I]others[/I]. And when called on the self-centered perspective inherent in this, you attempt to defend yourself with an anecdote in which the player-useful material is not useful at your table... because you have decided to shut it all down by fiat. That does not exactly refute the accusation, to say the least. You didn't even [I]try[/I] the material. You say you had "more fun" when the players acquiesced and did things your way, but your point of comparison is to your own stonewalling and the resulting arguments, not to a good-faith attempt to play the game another way. What's that supposed to prove? And on top of all that, you don't even try to hide your patronizing, "DM Knows Best" attitude towards your own players. Here's a tip. I realize it's probably coming decades too late, but here it is anyway: Respect your players. You're there for them. When they tell you they want to use something, consider the possibility that they actually do have some idea about what they would find fun, and are asking you to help make that a reality. You don't [I]always[/I] have to say yes, but when you don't, you should be able to give a clear and specific reason why not, rather than an openly contemptuous dismissal of the " 'Mage Book of Wowzerness' or something". And maybe if something is unusable in its published state, you can still modify it to preserve what the player finds fun about it while removing whatever it was that made it unusable. [/QUOTE]
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