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<blockquote data-quote="Iku Rex" data-source="post: 3136737" data-attributes="member: 752"><p>You need more facts, like which book the feat is in, that it has been errataed, the post-errata wording and the example of a similar effect in the CW errata.</p><p>What makes you think the answer some random guy from Custserv gives after skimming through the feat (if he can find it) is the "intent"?! In order to give an even remotely meaningful answer they need to know what the problem is, or they'll just go with their off-the-cuff impression. The best you can hope for with Custserv is to confuse them enough that they consult the people who <em>may</em> have a clue about the intent; the game designers in R&D. (Though that hardly ever happens.) </p><p></p><p>I'd wait and see if I got a reply, then ask for clarification. With any luck they'll include some sort of reasoning behind their answer. Better, yet, I'd ask Andy Collins, The Sage. He wasn't directly involved with CAdv, but he's more likely to have a clue than Custserv. </p><p></p><p>If I were to ask this question I'd write something like this: </p><p></p><p>***</p><p>Hi</p><p></p><p>I have a question about the Leap Attack feat (Complete Adventurer page 110) and how it works for a character wielding a two-handed weapon. </p><p></p><p>The feat was changed as follows in the Complete Adventurer errata: </p><p></p><p>"The second sentence of the Benefit paragraph should read as follows: </p><p>If you cover at least 10 feet of horizontal distance with your jump, and you end your jump in a square from which you threaten your target, you deal +100% the normal bonus damage from your use of the Power Attack feat."</p><p></p><p>The feat now reads: </p><p></p><p>"You can combine a jump with a charge against an opponent. If you cover at least 10 feet of horizontal distance with your jump, and you end your jump in a square from which you threaten your target, you deal +100% the normal bonus damage from your use of the Power Attack feat. If you use this tactic with a two-handed weapon, you instead triple the extra damage from power attack." -- Leap Attack feat.</p><p></p><p>If not for that last sentence I could have used the example from the Complete Warrior errata on the Frenzied Berserker's Supreme Power Attack ability, which is worded almost exactly the same way: </p><p></p><p>"Page 36: Frenzied Berserker’s Supreme Power Attack (class feature) </p><p>The supreme power attack class feature should read as follows: </p><p>Supreme Power Attack: A 10th-level frenzied berserker deals +100% the normal damage from her use of the Power Attack feat. In other words, when using the Power Attack feat, a frenzied berserker wielding a two-handed weapon gains a +4 bonus on damage rolls (instead of a +2 bonus) for each –1 penalty she applies to her attack rolls."</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is simple enough. (+100% = 4 for 1 rather than 2 for 1) Unfortunately the third sentence of the Leap Attack feat, which covers two-handed weapons, was not removed in the errata. This complicates the matter. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Question 1: Is the third sentence ("... triple the extra damage from power Attack") supposed to be in the feat?</p><p></p><p>Question 2: If yes, what is "the extra damage from Power Attack" with a two-handed weapon?</p><p></p><p>Question 3: Is "the extra damage from Power Attack" with a two-handed weapon (Leap Attack) the same value as "the number subtracted from your attack rolls" with Power Attack, thus triggering DnD multiplication rules? (2x * 3x = 4x)</p><p></p><p>Question 4 (the main question): A character with a greataxe, a two-handed weapon, charges using Leap Attack and subtracts 5 from his attack roll with Power Attack.</p><p></p><p>How much damage does he do with Leap Attack. 15? 20? 30? Other?</p><p></p><p>Thanks in advance.</p><p>***</p><p>Yes, it's kind of long. But if I got answers to the three first questions I'd have a pretty good idea <em>why</em> I got the answer I did to the last one, which is more important than some simple "yes" "no" or "3.14" answer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Iku Rex, post: 3136737, member: 752"] You need more facts, like which book the feat is in, that it has been errataed, the post-errata wording and the example of a similar effect in the CW errata. What makes you think the answer some random guy from Custserv gives after skimming through the feat (if he can find it) is the "intent"?! In order to give an even remotely meaningful answer they need to know what the problem is, or they'll just go with their off-the-cuff impression. The best you can hope for with Custserv is to confuse them enough that they consult the people who [I]may[/I] have a clue about the intent; the game designers in R&D. (Though that hardly ever happens.) I'd wait and see if I got a reply, then ask for clarification. With any luck they'll include some sort of reasoning behind their answer. Better, yet, I'd ask Andy Collins, The Sage. He wasn't directly involved with CAdv, but he's more likely to have a clue than Custserv. If I were to ask this question I'd write something like this: *** Hi I have a question about the Leap Attack feat (Complete Adventurer page 110) and how it works for a character wielding a two-handed weapon. The feat was changed as follows in the Complete Adventurer errata: "The second sentence of the Benefit paragraph should read as follows: If you cover at least 10 feet of horizontal distance with your jump, and you end your jump in a square from which you threaten your target, you deal +100% the normal bonus damage from your use of the Power Attack feat." The feat now reads: "You can combine a jump with a charge against an opponent. If you cover at least 10 feet of horizontal distance with your jump, and you end your jump in a square from which you threaten your target, you deal +100% the normal bonus damage from your use of the Power Attack feat. If you use this tactic with a two-handed weapon, you instead triple the extra damage from power attack." -- Leap Attack feat. If not for that last sentence I could have used the example from the Complete Warrior errata on the Frenzied Berserker's Supreme Power Attack ability, which is worded almost exactly the same way: "Page 36: Frenzied Berserker’s Supreme Power Attack (class feature) The supreme power attack class feature should read as follows: Supreme Power Attack: A 10th-level frenzied berserker deals +100% the normal damage from her use of the Power Attack feat. In other words, when using the Power Attack feat, a frenzied berserker wielding a two-handed weapon gains a +4 bonus on damage rolls (instead of a +2 bonus) for each –1 penalty she applies to her attack rolls." This is simple enough. (+100% = 4 for 1 rather than 2 for 1) Unfortunately the third sentence of the Leap Attack feat, which covers two-handed weapons, was not removed in the errata. This complicates the matter. Question 1: Is the third sentence ("... triple the extra damage from power Attack") supposed to be in the feat? Question 2: If yes, what is "the extra damage from Power Attack" with a two-handed weapon? Question 3: Is "the extra damage from Power Attack" with a two-handed weapon (Leap Attack) the same value as "the number subtracted from your attack rolls" with Power Attack, thus triggering DnD multiplication rules? (2x * 3x = 4x) Question 4 (the main question): A character with a greataxe, a two-handed weapon, charges using Leap Attack and subtracts 5 from his attack roll with Power Attack. How much damage does he do with Leap Attack. 15? 20? 30? Other? Thanks in advance. *** Yes, it's kind of long. But if I got answers to the three first questions I'd have a pretty good idea [I]why[/I] I got the answer I did to the last one, which is more important than some simple "yes" "no" or "3.14" answer. [/QUOTE]
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