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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 5754708" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>It's pretty clear that the purpose of these "Legends and Lore" things is to test reactions from the community and float trial balloons, with the end goal of figuring out how to bring Pathfinder and retro-clone fans back into the fold. One of the major complaints about 4E, perhaps the single biggest complaint, was a lack of "realism." In this one, Monte is trying to figure out, "What exactly does that <em>mean</em>? What makes 3E 'realistic' and 4E not, given the patent absurdities in both games?"</p><p></p><p>Monte seems to be operating on the theory that the game needs to nod in the direction of realism more. Which is fine as far as it goes, and I would certainly like to see more of the sense that the game is taking place in a fleshed-out world where people eat and drink and sleep and crap and have sex and are born and die. But honestly, the last time I really had that feeling was 2E.</p><p></p><p>If the issue is tackling the "lack of realism" in 4E, then I think nodding to realism is not a sufficient solution. It's a good idea, but if 5E contents itself with nodding a little more, it won't solve the problem. The solution is to figure out how to keep the implausibilities submerged, as it were. Classic hit points are ludicrously unrealistic, but in the heat of play you can easily overlook that fact, as the DM narrates grisly wounds and splattering gore. Healing surges are not much worse than classic hit points* in terms of realism, but the way they are presented really jolts people out of the narrative, and that's what provokes cries of "unrealistic!"</p><p></p><p>[SIZE=-2]*I do think they are worse. But not a lot worse.[/SIZE]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 5754708, member: 58197"] It's pretty clear that the purpose of these "Legends and Lore" things is to test reactions from the community and float trial balloons, with the end goal of figuring out how to bring Pathfinder and retro-clone fans back into the fold. One of the major complaints about 4E, perhaps the single biggest complaint, was a lack of "realism." In this one, Monte is trying to figure out, "What exactly does that [I]mean[/I]? What makes 3E 'realistic' and 4E not, given the patent absurdities in both games?" Monte seems to be operating on the theory that the game needs to nod in the direction of realism more. Which is fine as far as it goes, and I would certainly like to see more of the sense that the game is taking place in a fleshed-out world where people eat and drink and sleep and crap and have sex and are born and die. But honestly, the last time I really had that feeling was 2E. If the issue is tackling the "lack of realism" in 4E, then I think nodding to realism is not a sufficient solution. It's a good idea, but if 5E contents itself with nodding a little more, it won't solve the problem. The solution is to figure out how to keep the implausibilities submerged, as it were. Classic hit points are ludicrously unrealistic, but in the heat of play you can easily overlook that fact, as the DM narrates grisly wounds and splattering gore. Healing surges are not much worse than classic hit points* in terms of realism, but the way they are presented really jolts people out of the narrative, and that's what provokes cries of "unrealistic!" [SIZE=-2]*I do think they are worse. But not a lot worse.[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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