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<blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 5754860" data-attributes="member: 2804"><p>In the physics of the 3e world, I fail a save vs. a hold spell and am paralyzed for X rounds until the magic fades. I can see that being a plausible reality.</p><p></p><p>In the physics of the 4e world, I get hit by a hold spell, but continue to struggle against it (as a I make saves every round) and eventually break free. I can see that being a plausible reality as well.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, HP/Surges of 4e vs. the HP of 3e are for all intents and purposes the same. Both are an abstract measure of health and vitality. Any assertion to the contrary is really just splitting hairs and personal opinion.</p><p></p><p>I don't find either 4e or 3e more inherently "realistic" than the other one. Each represents internally consistent albeit different realities as defined by the game rules.</p><p></p><p>The 4e rules tend to represent a more Hollywood cinematic notion of reality. But that isn't always true either. I have made some ridiculously broken 3.x/PF characters in my day that were anything but realistic.</p><p></p><p>I think pursuing realism too far is the white whale of gaming. The more a game tries to be simulationist or realistic, the less fun I find it to play. I personally feel that "realism" should always take a back set to "fun". But I don't begrudge others who prefer the other notion.</p><p></p><p>If 5e isn't capable of smoothly handling both ideals then it will fail. I and many others already play Pathfinder, so I don't need another game system that mimics what it does. Likewise, I play 4e as well and I won't drop it for a 5e that takes away some of the fun gameplay that I enjoy about it to appease the tyranny of "realism".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dragonblade, post: 5754860, member: 2804"] In the physics of the 3e world, I fail a save vs. a hold spell and am paralyzed for X rounds until the magic fades. I can see that being a plausible reality. In the physics of the 4e world, I get hit by a hold spell, but continue to struggle against it (as a I make saves every round) and eventually break free. I can see that being a plausible reality as well. Likewise, HP/Surges of 4e vs. the HP of 3e are for all intents and purposes the same. Both are an abstract measure of health and vitality. Any assertion to the contrary is really just splitting hairs and personal opinion. I don't find either 4e or 3e more inherently "realistic" than the other one. Each represents internally consistent albeit different realities as defined by the game rules. The 4e rules tend to represent a more Hollywood cinematic notion of reality. But that isn't always true either. I have made some ridiculously broken 3.x/PF characters in my day that were anything but realistic. I think pursuing realism too far is the white whale of gaming. The more a game tries to be simulationist or realistic, the less fun I find it to play. I personally feel that "realism" should always take a back set to "fun". But I don't begrudge others who prefer the other notion. If 5e isn't capable of smoothly handling both ideals then it will fail. I and many others already play Pathfinder, so I don't need another game system that mimics what it does. Likewise, I play 4e as well and I won't drop it for a 5e that takes away some of the fun gameplay that I enjoy about it to appease the tyranny of "realism". [/QUOTE]
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