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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6038734" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>@<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/pemerton.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: yellow">pemerton</span></a></p><p> </p><p>I'll have to attempt to locate that thread. For what its worth, I don't percieve what you outlined as railroading (specifically given the explicit consultation of the players...that would appear to be utterly at odds with the idea of railroading). You are not circumventing "the will of the players" nor "the fall of the dice" in the social contract sense (which is the important part here). The situation is overt, explicit, above board...outside of the realm of DM force. </p><p> </p><p>I've often spoke to my disdain for unbounded, non-hard-coded Divination effects that circumvent the established resolution mechanics. Most often I speak to my annoyance with them due to their propensity to make null/circumvent investigatory and exploration challenges. However, the other part of this is related to what we're speaking of now. There is a DM Force and Rail-Roady aspect to them that I also cannot stand. There is a tension between the wittiness/logic of the DM and the players being on the same page in their mental framework/inferences. This can lead to a real or percieved arbitrariness/willful opacity to the exchange (DM's adjudication to player's inference). Further, there can be a real or percieved outright, willful DM blockage of a PC's invested resource scheme in order to sustain the sanctity of the challenge. I abhor that potential for passive aggression/percieved malignance or distrust embedded in any resolution mechanics (especially within a PC's invested resource scheme).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6038734, member: 6696971"] @[URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/members/pemerton.html"][COLOR=yellow]pemerton[/COLOR][/URL] I'll have to attempt to locate that thread. For what its worth, I don't percieve what you outlined as railroading (specifically given the explicit consultation of the players...that would appear to be utterly at odds with the idea of railroading). You are not circumventing "the will of the players" nor "the fall of the dice" in the social contract sense (which is the important part here). The situation is overt, explicit, above board...outside of the realm of DM force. I've often spoke to my disdain for unbounded, non-hard-coded Divination effects that circumvent the established resolution mechanics. Most often I speak to my annoyance with them due to their propensity to make null/circumvent investigatory and exploration challenges. However, the other part of this is related to what we're speaking of now. There is a DM Force and Rail-Roady aspect to them that I also cannot stand. There is a tension between the wittiness/logic of the DM and the players being on the same page in their mental framework/inferences. This can lead to a real or percieved arbitrariness/willful opacity to the exchange (DM's adjudication to player's inference). Further, there can be a real or percieved outright, willful DM blockage of a PC's invested resource scheme in order to sustain the sanctity of the challenge. I abhor that potential for passive aggression/percieved malignance or distrust embedded in any resolution mechanics (especially within a PC's invested resource scheme). [/QUOTE]
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