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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7380974" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>And you're barking up the wrong tree if you think cantrips are actually that good. 2d10damage at level 5 is pathetic damage. Its maybe better than using a bow or crossbow that is about it. Fighters buy comparison are dealing between 1d8+6 X2 through to 2d6+4 X2 minimum </p><p></p><p> I'm also not opposed to a warlord using cantrips via a subclass like the hypothetical 1/3rd caster.</p><p></p><p>The exception of course is the warlock.</p><p></p><p> I don't need to think outside the box. 5E doesn't have at weill action granting because its obvious how blatantly stupidly overpowered it would be and the Battlemaster for example is also the best fighter. Rogues exist in 5E, and even without them there are things like hunter rangers.</p><p></p><p> Having a support class that can double opr triple the damage other support classes can deal is not remotely balanced and as much as you like to falsely claim the designers of 5E do not care about balance they at least tried (they may bhave missed a few things here and there). You can easily look at how damage scales on cantrips, the cleric class (an extra 1d8 at level 8) and the striker classes to realise how out of whack at will attack granting is. There is a reason the Battlemaster can't do it at will. Letting a arlrod borrow a Rogue at will at level 5 (1d8+3d6+4) is a lot betetr than the clerics 1s6+2 or 3 and getting an extra d8 at level 8.</p><p></p><p> Hell its better than striker classes with daily spell slots using hex and hunters quarry. </p><p></p><p> If you can't see the problem with that (its basic math) you really need to go an play 4E there nothign more one can really tell you. Its the equivilent of letting CoDzilla from 3.5 into a 4E game. I want to play 4E with you guys some time I want to create my own class, I had this level 6 Druid in 3.5 with natural spell and you should really let me port it into 4E, you just need to think outside the box. </p><p></p><p> Its not me you have to convince there anyway its Mearls, hell you have to convince him to create the warlord as a new class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7380974, member: 6716779"] And you're barking up the wrong tree if you think cantrips are actually that good. 2d10damage at level 5 is pathetic damage. Its maybe better than using a bow or crossbow that is about it. Fighters buy comparison are dealing between 1d8+6 X2 through to 2d6+4 X2 minimum I'm also not opposed to a warlord using cantrips via a subclass like the hypothetical 1/3rd caster. The exception of course is the warlock. I don't need to think outside the box. 5E doesn't have at weill action granting because its obvious how blatantly stupidly overpowered it would be and the Battlemaster for example is also the best fighter. Rogues exist in 5E, and even without them there are things like hunter rangers. Having a support class that can double opr triple the damage other support classes can deal is not remotely balanced and as much as you like to falsely claim the designers of 5E do not care about balance they at least tried (they may bhave missed a few things here and there). You can easily look at how damage scales on cantrips, the cleric class (an extra 1d8 at level 8) and the striker classes to realise how out of whack at will attack granting is. There is a reason the Battlemaster can't do it at will. Letting a arlrod borrow a Rogue at will at level 5 (1d8+3d6+4) is a lot betetr than the clerics 1s6+2 or 3 and getting an extra d8 at level 8. Hell its better than striker classes with daily spell slots using hex and hunters quarry. If you can't see the problem with that (its basic math) you really need to go an play 4E there nothign more one can really tell you. Its the equivilent of letting CoDzilla from 3.5 into a 4E game. I want to play 4E with you guys some time I want to create my own class, I had this level 6 Druid in 3.5 with natural spell and you should really let me port it into 4E, you just need to think outside the box. Its not me you have to convince there anyway its Mearls, hell you have to convince him to create the warlord as a new class. [/QUOTE]
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