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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6420896" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p>I understand what you're stating as far as military options go. This is not true for the type of combat D&D engages in. That is what I'm talking about. You are talking solely massed military units, not the small unit or one on one fighting between people dueling or traversing a castle hall alone. If a pike or pole axe wielder were fighting one on one against a knight rather than as part of unit meant to take on mounted knights, that person would be dead meat due to the superior capability of the smaller and more maneuverable sword wielder or similar weapon a combatant would use up close. The Yew bow has never been used as a close combat weapon and impossible to fire in a continuous manner as they use it in D&D. Even a good English longbow user pumped out maybe one arrow per D&D combat round. The power of the Yew bow (longbow in D&D) was exhibited in massed fire, not individual fire. No Yew bow user would ever attempt to get off an arrow in close combat range against a sword wielder. Just not practical and usually a death sentence.</p><p></p><p>Yet if some person read D&D books thinking they in anyway simulated real combat, they would be dead meat. Meaning if they tried to use a Yew bow or a poleaxe, greatsword, or the like against a sword and board fighter or single blade user in a close combat situation one on one, they would most likely be dead meat. "Hey. Great weapons do much better. Look at my bow, bonuses to hit. I'll crush that sword and shield wearing fool...only one sword? He's going to die quick." Then that guy would be "Oh damn. He dodged my blow. He's inside the reach of my poleaxe. I'm dead."</p><p></p><p>Every trained polearm user usually carried a short sword or something similar for close up work. Bowman the same. Because those weapons were not effective in the type of battle we often see in D&D. If the distance was closed, you had to switch to a close combat weapon like a sword and use a shield if you lacked good armor. Though plate armor often was used in a similar manner to a shield deflecting blows and setting up attacks. A good knight knew where to take hits on his armor and set up counter-attacks while doing so.</p><p></p><p>My basic point is that D&D is not massed combat. Sword and shield or single weapon user would be more effective on average than a Yew bow user. A true two-weapon fighter would decimate almost anyone incapable of fighting in that manner. Two-weapon fighting was highly specialized. One of the greatest practitioners was Miyamato Musashi, one of the greatest swordsman to ever live. Yet in D&D both sword and board and two-weapon fighting are inferior to great weapon and bow. Very misleading as to what is most effective in real close combat fights.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6420896, member: 5834"] I understand what you're stating as far as military options go. This is not true for the type of combat D&D engages in. That is what I'm talking about. You are talking solely massed military units, not the small unit or one on one fighting between people dueling or traversing a castle hall alone. If a pike or pole axe wielder were fighting one on one against a knight rather than as part of unit meant to take on mounted knights, that person would be dead meat due to the superior capability of the smaller and more maneuverable sword wielder or similar weapon a combatant would use up close. The Yew bow has never been used as a close combat weapon and impossible to fire in a continuous manner as they use it in D&D. Even a good English longbow user pumped out maybe one arrow per D&D combat round. The power of the Yew bow (longbow in D&D) was exhibited in massed fire, not individual fire. No Yew bow user would ever attempt to get off an arrow in close combat range against a sword wielder. Just not practical and usually a death sentence. Yet if some person read D&D books thinking they in anyway simulated real combat, they would be dead meat. Meaning if they tried to use a Yew bow or a poleaxe, greatsword, or the like against a sword and board fighter or single blade user in a close combat situation one on one, they would most likely be dead meat. "Hey. Great weapons do much better. Look at my bow, bonuses to hit. I'll crush that sword and shield wearing fool...only one sword? He's going to die quick." Then that guy would be "Oh damn. He dodged my blow. He's inside the reach of my poleaxe. I'm dead." Every trained polearm user usually carried a short sword or something similar for close up work. Bowman the same. Because those weapons were not effective in the type of battle we often see in D&D. If the distance was closed, you had to switch to a close combat weapon like a sword and use a shield if you lacked good armor. Though plate armor often was used in a similar manner to a shield deflecting blows and setting up attacks. A good knight knew where to take hits on his armor and set up counter-attacks while doing so. My basic point is that D&D is not massed combat. Sword and shield or single weapon user would be more effective on average than a Yew bow user. A true two-weapon fighter would decimate almost anyone incapable of fighting in that manner. Two-weapon fighting was highly specialized. One of the greatest practitioners was Miyamato Musashi, one of the greatest swordsman to ever live. Yet in D&D both sword and board and two-weapon fighting are inferior to great weapon and bow. Very misleading as to what is most effective in real close combat fights. [/QUOTE]
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