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<blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 4440383" data-attributes="member: 3087"><p>There is a utility power section down at the bottom.</p><p></p><p>The point is that there are really TWO SHEETS.</p><p>1.Is for playing.</p><p>1 is for checking the math and powers.</p><p></p><p>For playing purposes it doesn't matter where your daily/encounter powers come from (item, power, race, whatever) you just need to know their frequency/bonus to-hit/effects.</p><p></p><p>For checking purposes? You need to know where it came from.</p><p></p><p>Squeezing those two into one sheet is a really bad idea. You wind up with something that does nothing well, and annoys everyone.</p><p></p><p>This is a classic example of a terribly designed sheet. WotC knows this. They made up a better sheet (the horizontal sheet) and are trying to sell it to you for 20$. Whatever we do I don't think we should use their sheet except to show what not to do.</p><p></p><p>During normal play do I need to see that I'm using my +2 int modifier for my AC along with my leather armor? No. No I don't. </p><p>What is MISC? How can I tell? If I can't tell what the damn bonus is for why are you telling me about it? "Well... he's got a +2 from something.... let me go search around on the sheet to see what it could be..." </p><p></p><p>[d]--[/d]</p><p></p><p>While</p><p>... we may need an "other" column</p><p>... we may (should?) have a template (help! I can't do templates...)</p><p></p><p>I don't think we should have feats and powers and classes shoved into "other" and then have each and every character sheet use its own notation and force judges to wade through a dozen different versions of the same info. I realize that Cov said he though I 'wasn't far' so this may not be suggested but...</p><p></p><p>the goal of the <u><em><strong>math section</strong></em></u> should NOT be "easy for players to fill in". It should be "EASY TO CHECK".</p><p></p><p>I agree that '--' is a PINA and should be dropped in favor of blank spaces. I think I was worried it'd freak out if there was a blank space.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Graf, post: 4440383, member: 3087"] There is a utility power section down at the bottom. The point is that there are really TWO SHEETS. 1.Is for playing. 1 is for checking the math and powers. For playing purposes it doesn't matter where your daily/encounter powers come from (item, power, race, whatever) you just need to know their frequency/bonus to-hit/effects. For checking purposes? You need to know where it came from. Squeezing those two into one sheet is a really bad idea. You wind up with something that does nothing well, and annoys everyone. This is a classic example of a terribly designed sheet. WotC knows this. They made up a better sheet (the horizontal sheet) and are trying to sell it to you for 20$. Whatever we do I don't think we should use their sheet except to show what not to do. During normal play do I need to see that I'm using my +2 int modifier for my AC along with my leather armor? No. No I don't. What is MISC? How can I tell? If I can't tell what the damn bonus is for why are you telling me about it? "Well... he's got a +2 from something.... let me go search around on the sheet to see what it could be..." [d]--[/d] While ... we may need an "other" column ... we may (should?) have a template (help! I can't do templates...) I don't think we should have feats and powers and classes shoved into "other" and then have each and every character sheet use its own notation and force judges to wade through a dozen different versions of the same info. I realize that Cov said he though I 'wasn't far' so this may not be suggested but... the goal of the [U][I][B]math section[/B][/I][/U] should NOT be "easy for players to fill in". It should be "EASY TO CHECK". I agree that '--' is a PINA and should be dropped in favor of blank spaces. I think I was worried it'd freak out if there was a blank space. [/QUOTE]
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