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<blockquote data-quote="perrinmiller" data-source="post: 5585137" data-attributes="member: 88649"><p>A flail is not bolos and a medium sized creature is no little bird. I don't think the chain is that long. It gets tripping and disarming because ankles and weapons have small diameters and are exposed. You cannot do such a maneuver with a guisarme and mechanically they are no different. </p><p></p><p>I think you are still trying to put grappling effects on a trip attack or assigning mechanical advantages to weapons that are not covered in the core rules. </p><p></p><p>The analogy of airplanes and cars is covered under Fly checks due to being damaged in flight. It not a very difficult DC check when the flier has high skill though.</p><p></p><p>10 feet reach in the horizontal plane is a 5x5 square on the grid for a medium sized creature. So how can you justify changing it to a different shape in the vertical plane? You cannot have it both ways, I don't think. You cut the corners off in the vertical, then you have to take them off in the horizontal which is clearly not in the rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="perrinmiller, post: 5585137, member: 88649"] A flail is not bolos and a medium sized creature is no little bird. I don't think the chain is that long. It gets tripping and disarming because ankles and weapons have small diameters and are exposed. You cannot do such a maneuver with a guisarme and mechanically they are no different. I think you are still trying to put grappling effects on a trip attack or assigning mechanical advantages to weapons that are not covered in the core rules. The analogy of airplanes and cars is covered under Fly checks due to being damaged in flight. It not a very difficult DC check when the flier has high skill though. 10 feet reach in the horizontal plane is a 5x5 square on the grid for a medium sized creature. So how can you justify changing it to a different shape in the vertical plane? You cannot have it both ways, I don't think. You cut the corners off in the vertical, then you have to take them off in the horizontal which is clearly not in the rules. [/QUOTE]
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