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<blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 3985313" data-attributes="member: 2518"><p>Dragons also have to sleep from time to time and then an alarm spell is quite handy.</p><p></p><p>It seems to me that many people do not understand my point. Dragons don't need spells to be strong combatants (except for "Escape from overpowered ability" spells). They needs spells to be anything else than a combatant.</p><p>Their lifestyle and physical characteristics makes it impossible for dragons to actually create anything without magic. Especially when you want them to be BBEG they must be able to do BBEG stuff like scrying, spying etc. and they need a appropriate lair defense. And they can only achieve that either through minions or magic. When minions do it then those guys are the real BBEG. Destroy them and the dragon is helpless.</p><p></p><p>Some people do want dragons to be dumb beast which do nothing, but that are not the D&D dragons. Dragons in D&D are (for the most part) intelligent and have high ambitions. And for that they need some way to affect the world in a different way than simply razing poorly defended villages and demand some few copper coins as tribute.</p><p></p><p>You can say that the DM can simply make this up and this is correct, but why should I pay for a book which tells me to make things up? I don't need D&D for that. There is a good post from kamikaze midget which explains why it is better for monsters to have out of combat abilities in the rules (thats what magic would be for dragons) instead of simply saying that the DM should give them whatever he wants them to have.</p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=3983551&postcount=149" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=3983551&postcount=149</a></p><p></p><p>In the end, dragons having spellcasting is more of a "Should monsters have out of combat abilities which explain how they function in the world in the rules?" question. And the answer is yes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Derren, post: 3985313, member: 2518"] Dragons also have to sleep from time to time and then an alarm spell is quite handy. It seems to me that many people do not understand my point. Dragons don't need spells to be strong combatants (except for "Escape from overpowered ability" spells). They needs spells to be anything else than a combatant. Their lifestyle and physical characteristics makes it impossible for dragons to actually create anything without magic. Especially when you want them to be BBEG they must be able to do BBEG stuff like scrying, spying etc. and they need a appropriate lair defense. And they can only achieve that either through minions or magic. When minions do it then those guys are the real BBEG. Destroy them and the dragon is helpless. Some people do want dragons to be dumb beast which do nothing, but that are not the D&D dragons. Dragons in D&D are (for the most part) intelligent and have high ambitions. And for that they need some way to affect the world in a different way than simply razing poorly defended villages and demand some few copper coins as tribute. You can say that the DM can simply make this up and this is correct, but why should I pay for a book which tells me to make things up? I don't need D&D for that. There is a good post from kamikaze midget which explains why it is better for monsters to have out of combat abilities in the rules (thats what magic would be for dragons) instead of simply saying that the DM should give them whatever he wants them to have. [url]http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=3983551&postcount=149[/url] In the end, dragons having spellcasting is more of a "Should monsters have out of combat abilities which explain how they function in the world in the rules?" question. And the answer is yes. [/QUOTE]
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