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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7556239" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>"(which at that level you are concentrating on what exactly, suggestion/Tasha? - you don't really have a vast selection of concentration spells at that time), "</p><p></p><p>Uhh.. yeah ok so, again possibly a table difference. </p><p></p><p>At our table it's unlikely the wizard gets another feat option until 8th. </p><p></p><p>So the feat at 4th is rarely chosen based on "what does it do for me at 4th right now" as much as its chosen for "what will it do for me from 4th thru 7th and beyond." </p><p></p><p>So given that gap until the next feat (at ourctsble, possibly different at yours) extends thru the first half of tier-2 (and beyond) and includes 3rd and 4th level spells, it's the rather efficient concentration spells at 3rd and 4th that give the concentration sprll appeal even more weight. I am sure with a little look you can see some concentration spells in that range worth preserving.</p><p></p><p>But again, that's how we look at things at our table with the challenges they face. Different tables with different experiences and different assumptions might have very different priorities. </p><p></p><p>As an example, at our table I would say it's like 3 out of 4 that take feats over ASI at 4th. The numerical gains from going from +3 to +4 are not valued as highly as the gains in other aspects and options feats bring. Similarly, I guess it's not seen as critical to be +7 vs +6 (or DC 14 vs DC 15) as some of the added options feats bring. From what I gather this is less common among the white room warriors for whom the hard numbers fit more easily into calculations of benefit. </p><p></p><p>But I think another aspect that influences things at our table never shows up in white rooms - generally its seen as more fun to have a feat that gives you "more cool stuff you can do" (subjectively) than an extra +1.</p><p></p><p>That also influences feat choices. So, while resilience may in your games be the better choice, in our games it would be the duller choice - though it has been taken for at least one.</p><p></p><p>Different tables different values.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7556239, member: 6919838"] "(which at that level you are concentrating on what exactly, suggestion/Tasha? - you don't really have a vast selection of concentration spells at that time), " Uhh.. yeah ok so, again possibly a table difference. At our table it's unlikely the wizard gets another feat option until 8th. So the feat at 4th is rarely chosen based on "what does it do for me at 4th right now" as much as its chosen for "what will it do for me from 4th thru 7th and beyond." So given that gap until the next feat (at ourctsble, possibly different at yours) extends thru the first half of tier-2 (and beyond) and includes 3rd and 4th level spells, it's the rather efficient concentration spells at 3rd and 4th that give the concentration sprll appeal even more weight. I am sure with a little look you can see some concentration spells in that range worth preserving. But again, that's how we look at things at our table with the challenges they face. Different tables with different experiences and different assumptions might have very different priorities. As an example, at our table I would say it's like 3 out of 4 that take feats over ASI at 4th. The numerical gains from going from +3 to +4 are not valued as highly as the gains in other aspects and options feats bring. Similarly, I guess it's not seen as critical to be +7 vs +6 (or DC 14 vs DC 15) as some of the added options feats bring. From what I gather this is less common among the white room warriors for whom the hard numbers fit more easily into calculations of benefit. But I think another aspect that influences things at our table never shows up in white rooms - generally its seen as more fun to have a feat that gives you "more cool stuff you can do" (subjectively) than an extra +1. That also influences feat choices. So, while resilience may in your games be the better choice, in our games it would be the duller choice - though it has been taken for at least one. Different tables different values. [/QUOTE]
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