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[LPJDesign] OGL 3.5 logo created to replace D20 Logo for 3rd Party Publishers
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<blockquote data-quote="Big Mac" data-source="post: 4189188" data-attributes="member: 61182"><p>The problem with the d20 System logo is that it is applied to SRD and MSRD products (as well as anything else that WotC sells). That means that it doesn't really indicate that a product is compatible with anything.</p><p></p><p>A logo that indicates that things are 3.5 SRD compatible would be valuable to customers who don't want to switch to 4e (or the Paizo RPG), however this logo doesn't indicate that it is connected to the fantasy rules.</p><p></p><p>And, <strong>no offense intended</strong>, but I own some of your products and didn't have a clue about what your product line was when I first saw them. I now know your name (and that means your personal name) well enough to trust your word, but at the time I first saw your stuff I struggled to know if I could get it to work with D&D. I'm sure there must be new people coming into the hobby every day, so even if your regular customers know who you are, it wouldn't hurt to let newbies have a clue.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>AFAIK, you haven't announced any intention to stick with or abandon 3.5 yet, but if you did stick with 3.5 something like this (and I admit you could probably do a better in-house version) would help <strong>potential</strong> customers understand what rules your products were using.</p><p></p><p>If you supported several product lines in the future, it might be useful to have old stock labled, so that RPG stores couldn't accidentally "pass off" old stock as being compatible with the new system.</p><p></p><p>A lot of shops now shrink-wrap things to stop people from browsing, so if you don't have some useful blurb on the back cover some people <strong>might</strong> hesitate to buy stuff. I know I got confused by things (not necessarily your products) when 3.5 first came out. With shops...ah lets name and shame them, so the good shops don't suffer - Orcs Nest in Central London...shrink labeling <strong>everything</strong>, customers can't gain any information without talking to their staff (who used to be really really fun and helpful in the days of TSR, but now sit in their pod ignoring everyone). I usually find it easier to research things online, and if I do that I might as well buy online too.</p><p></p><p>Lets turn your comment around. You have <strong>nothing to loose</strong> by adding a logo like this. If you don't like this one, then why not add your own one? (Unless you are going to swallow the GSL poision pill - then you will be mothballing your entire existing product line and this logo would be a waste of your time.) When I pick up a RPG book, I want to know if it works with 3.5 (SRD) rules, but I also want to know if it is part of a campaign setting. (You are pretty good at putting campaign setting logos onto things, but some publishers seem to like to pretend that something is generic when it isn't. I actually <strong>prefer</strong> things that are part of a campaign setting as I'm trying to build a collection of worlds to "visit".)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that the previous logos (especially Prometheus and OpenDie) have failed to "do what they say on the tin". OpenDie doesn't really have any meaning and Prometheus, while a good idea, fails to indicate any sort of compatibility with anything.</p><p></p><p>This logo at least mentions "3.5".</p><p></p><p>And you are right - it does look good.</p><p></p><p>But, as a consumer, I'd be more likely to trust a logo that indicates compatability with the "3.5 SRD". I'd even consider buy old stuff that indicated compatability with the "3.0 SRD"! The main thing I need from a logo, is to know that it isn't for some non-standard system that rips out half of the SRD and puts in something else.</p><p></p><p>Its nice to know that you wish people good luck, even when you don't agree with them. I've got to tip my hat to you for that.</p><p></p><p><goes off to look for hat> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Big Mac, post: 4189188, member: 61182"] The problem with the d20 System logo is that it is applied to SRD and MSRD products (as well as anything else that WotC sells). That means that it doesn't really indicate that a product is compatible with anything. A logo that indicates that things are 3.5 SRD compatible would be valuable to customers who don't want to switch to 4e (or the Paizo RPG), however this logo doesn't indicate that it is connected to the fantasy rules. And, [B]no offense intended[/B], but I own some of your products and didn't have a clue about what your product line was when I first saw them. I now know your name (and that means your personal name) well enough to trust your word, but at the time I first saw your stuff I struggled to know if I could get it to work with D&D. I'm sure there must be new people coming into the hobby every day, so even if your regular customers know who you are, it wouldn't hurt to let newbies have a clue. AFAIK, you haven't announced any intention to stick with or abandon 3.5 yet, but if you did stick with 3.5 something like this (and I admit you could probably do a better in-house version) would help [B]potential[/B] customers understand what rules your products were using. If you supported several product lines in the future, it might be useful to have old stock labled, so that RPG stores couldn't accidentally "pass off" old stock as being compatible with the new system. A lot of shops now shrink-wrap things to stop people from browsing, so if you don't have some useful blurb on the back cover some people [B]might[/B] hesitate to buy stuff. I know I got confused by things (not necessarily your products) when 3.5 first came out. With shops...ah lets name and shame them, so the good shops don't suffer - Orcs Nest in Central London...shrink labeling [B]everything[/B], customers can't gain any information without talking to their staff (who used to be really really fun and helpful in the days of TSR, but now sit in their pod ignoring everyone). I usually find it easier to research things online, and if I do that I might as well buy online too. Lets turn your comment around. You have [B]nothing to loose[/B] by adding a logo like this. If you don't like this one, then why not add your own one? (Unless you are going to swallow the GSL poision pill - then you will be mothballing your entire existing product line and this logo would be a waste of your time.) When I pick up a RPG book, I want to know if it works with 3.5 (SRD) rules, but I also want to know if it is part of a campaign setting. (You are pretty good at putting campaign setting logos onto things, but some publishers seem to like to pretend that something is generic when it isn't. I actually [B]prefer[/B] things that are part of a campaign setting as I'm trying to build a collection of worlds to "visit".) I think that the previous logos (especially Prometheus and OpenDie) have failed to "do what they say on the tin". OpenDie doesn't really have any meaning and Prometheus, while a good idea, fails to indicate any sort of compatibility with anything. This logo at least mentions "3.5". And you are right - it does look good. But, as a consumer, I'd be more likely to trust a logo that indicates compatability with the "3.5 SRD". I'd even consider buy old stuff that indicated compatability with the "3.0 SRD"! The main thing I need from a logo, is to know that it isn't for some non-standard system that rips out half of the SRD and puts in something else. Its nice to know that you wish people good luck, even when you don't agree with them. I've got to tip my hat to you for that. <goes off to look for hat> ;) [/QUOTE]
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