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<blockquote data-quote="Eldritch_Lord" data-source="post: 5981021" data-attributes="member: 52073"><p>Honestly, most fighter bonus feats, epic are not, are underwhelming enough that in the past I've allowed players to ignore all prerequisites with Martial Monk and it's turned out fine. Heck, one of those monks was a ranged spec, with Zen Archery and Distant Shot for accuracy, Swarm of Arrows for groups, and Infinite Deflection to prevent counterattacks, and it still wasn't <em>too</em> stupidly broken even with those three epic feats because with the kind of threats and environments you face at 2nd level being able to shoot as far as the eye is useless without the damage or Spot check to back it up, any martial type can kill a bunch of mooks close to you, and the wizard has <em>wind wall</em> for arrows anyway. Next to a dungeoncrasher or a barbarian pouncer or even a TWFing rogue, the damage output pales, and the unlimited range lets you do silly things but nothing broken.</p><p></p><p>Even if you don't play at <em>quite</em> that power level, a monk getting Weapon Specialization without fighter levels, or Robilar's Gambit at a level where a monk-caliber AoO might actually be a threat, or Whirlwind Attack before it's obsoleted by Mithral Tornado, or a weapon style feat without sinking a half-dozen feats into prereqs, is not going to drastically break anything, with very few exceptions that can be spot-banned. I mean, most feats should really be lower level anyway given the way the game has evolved (the epic feat Dire Charge is now a 1st-level barbarian sub level, to name one). I'd even be inclined to allow feats that depend on prior feats in the chain and let them use them normally (like Rapid Blitz or ITWF), but that's a matter of personal taste.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eldritch_Lord, post: 5981021, member: 52073"] Honestly, most fighter bonus feats, epic are not, are underwhelming enough that in the past I've allowed players to ignore all prerequisites with Martial Monk and it's turned out fine. Heck, one of those monks was a ranged spec, with Zen Archery and Distant Shot for accuracy, Swarm of Arrows for groups, and Infinite Deflection to prevent counterattacks, and it still wasn't [I]too[/I] stupidly broken even with those three epic feats because with the kind of threats and environments you face at 2nd level being able to shoot as far as the eye is useless without the damage or Spot check to back it up, any martial type can kill a bunch of mooks close to you, and the wizard has [I]wind wall[/I] for arrows anyway. Next to a dungeoncrasher or a barbarian pouncer or even a TWFing rogue, the damage output pales, and the unlimited range lets you do silly things but nothing broken. Even if you don't play at [I]quite[/I] that power level, a monk getting Weapon Specialization without fighter levels, or Robilar's Gambit at a level where a monk-caliber AoO might actually be a threat, or Whirlwind Attack before it's obsoleted by Mithral Tornado, or a weapon style feat without sinking a half-dozen feats into prereqs, is not going to drastically break anything, with very few exceptions that can be spot-banned. I mean, most feats should really be lower level anyway given the way the game has evolved (the epic feat Dire Charge is now a 1st-level barbarian sub level, to name one). I'd even be inclined to allow feats that depend on prior feats in the chain and let them use them normally (like Rapid Blitz or ITWF), but that's a matter of personal taste. [/QUOTE]
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