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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8993805" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>They do get unique abilities. They get proficiency in heavy armor which only one other class gets, they get action surge, they get fighting styles and some of those are unique to their class.</p><p></p><p>Barbarians don't get heavy armor proficiency, and if they get it through a feat they can't even use it without giving up on raging.</p><p></p><p>When it comes to class specifically, fighter gets the most in terms of combat with weapons.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are not other "classes" that have access to that, it is a single class - Paladin. </p><p></p><p>As a class ONLY Paladin and Fighter have access to heavy armor and martial weapons. Even when you consider subclasses only a Paladin and Cleric have access to heavy armor and martial weapons and Clerics can't get extra attack at all. </p><p></p><p>So it is not "other classes" it is a single other class that gets that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is way behind if you are optimizing for melee. Half Plate with an average dex is a full 3 points behind Plate. If you got really bad rolls put a 7 in Dex it is 5 points behind.</p><p></p><p>You need at least a 14 Dexterity to be only "barely <u>behind</u>" a fighter. Your chance of rolling 3 or more 14s is 1 in 3 which means if you are optimizing for combat with the same rolls you will usually either have a lower constitution or a lower strength in order to get to that "barely behind". And even in that case where you got lucky and rolled 3 or more 14+ you are still behind ..... those great rolls get you to an AC "barely behind" a fighter, but still behind!</p><p></p><p>By contrast a fighter optimized for melee can actually put his worst ability in dexterity and come into the fight with better Wisdom, better charisma, better intelligence and still have a "barely <strong><u>better</u></strong>" AC than a character who does not have heavy armor proficiency.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It absolutely is when no other class gets that.</p><p></p><p>When it comes to class and class alone, in terms of "equal footing", it is not equal at all, fighter is flat better at combat with weapons.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8993805, member: 7030563"] They do get unique abilities. They get proficiency in heavy armor which only one other class gets, they get action surge, they get fighting styles and some of those are unique to their class. Barbarians don't get heavy armor proficiency, and if they get it through a feat they can't even use it without giving up on raging. When it comes to class specifically, fighter gets the most in terms of combat with weapons. There are not other "classes" that have access to that, it is a single class - Paladin. As a class ONLY Paladin and Fighter have access to heavy armor and martial weapons. Even when you consider subclasses only a Paladin and Cleric have access to heavy armor and martial weapons and Clerics can't get extra attack at all. So it is not "other classes" it is a single other class that gets that. It is way behind if you are optimizing for melee. Half Plate with an average dex is a full 3 points behind Plate. If you got really bad rolls put a 7 in Dex it is 5 points behind. You need at least a 14 Dexterity to be only "barely [U]behind[/U]" a fighter. Your chance of rolling 3 or more 14s is 1 in 3 which means if you are optimizing for combat with the same rolls you will usually either have a lower constitution or a lower strength in order to get to that "barely behind". And even in that case where you got lucky and rolled 3 or more 14+ you are still behind ..... those great rolls get you to an AC "barely behind" a fighter, but still behind! By contrast a fighter optimized for melee can actually put his worst ability in dexterity and come into the fight with better Wisdom, better charisma, better intelligence and still have a "barely [B][U]better[/U][/B]" AC than a character who does not have heavy armor proficiency. It absolutely is when no other class gets that. When it comes to class and class alone, in terms of "equal footing", it is not equal at all, fighter is flat better at combat with weapons. [/QUOTE]
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