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Material Components: How Hard to Find in Your Games?
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<blockquote data-quote="mikal768" data-source="post: 7300825" data-attributes="member: 55621"><p>Because the relevant claim was the part I quoted?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except for the fact if you don't have access to your spell focus or component pouch you have to start keeping track...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Be sure to tell your DM that if you ever get captured and all your stuff confiscated and you then need to escape. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, so it's just fluff... until it's no longer just fluff? That makes sense (no it doesn't). And yes, actually a fighter does keep track of their weapon. For melee fighters, it's pretty much an X or Y situation where X= weapon Y= no weapon.</p><p>And for ranged fighters its keeping track of their ammunition in addition to their weapon. Sort of like how a caster has spells with material components and spells without. </p><p></p><p>So I guess a player who didn't have access to a component pouch or focus for any length of time would probably track it the same way those ranged fighters do... you know. That area called "equipment" on the sheet? Or perhaps a sheet of paper? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Man if only there was some sort of way to adjudicate challenges based on existing attributes... or some way to get bonuses on those with skills or the like. If you as a DM can't put something that basic together... well.. everyone needs to start somewhere I guess.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, and I use them. However, that doesn't mean the rules don't say "you need components". They just provided an easy way to do so. But just because it's available doesn't mean it's always going to be available. Stuff happens. And the default assumption is, again that certain spells require components. Some of them are cheap, and can be substituted, and some of them are costly, and can't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're the one who claimed that material components are just for fluff and that component pouches and focii, while important, should not always be relied upon. I then asked you simply whether or not that happened to a PC of yours whether your response would be "It's fluff" or not. Since you know, you claimed it was...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...Where did I ever state that I defaulted to no component pouches or focii? All I've stated is that the default assumption of the game is use of material components. That means for non-expensive items you a) Use the components that you gather yourself b) Use a spell focus c) use a component pouch.</p><p></p><p>You're the one stating that components don't matter, when they do. You're the one stating they're just for fluff, when they aren't. I'm stating they are important, and you shouldn't assume you will always have a component pouch or spell focus handy for them. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That would be an interesting way to play it. I might have to see if the players in my game want that level of verisimilitude or not. Of course, most of them use spell focuses in the first place precisely because it's easier to hold onto them (spell component pouches do look like coin purses after all, and they travel in areas that aren't... well let's say very respectful of another persons personal belongings).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mikal768, post: 7300825, member: 55621"] Because the relevant claim was the part I quoted? Except for the fact if you don't have access to your spell focus or component pouch you have to start keeping track... Be sure to tell your DM that if you ever get captured and all your stuff confiscated and you then need to escape. Oh, so it's just fluff... until it's no longer just fluff? That makes sense (no it doesn't). And yes, actually a fighter does keep track of their weapon. For melee fighters, it's pretty much an X or Y situation where X= weapon Y= no weapon. And for ranged fighters its keeping track of their ammunition in addition to their weapon. Sort of like how a caster has spells with material components and spells without. So I guess a player who didn't have access to a component pouch or focus for any length of time would probably track it the same way those ranged fighters do... you know. That area called "equipment" on the sheet? Or perhaps a sheet of paper? Man if only there was some sort of way to adjudicate challenges based on existing attributes... or some way to get bonuses on those with skills or the like. If you as a DM can't put something that basic together... well.. everyone needs to start somewhere I guess. Yes, and I use them. However, that doesn't mean the rules don't say "you need components". They just provided an easy way to do so. But just because it's available doesn't mean it's always going to be available. Stuff happens. And the default assumption is, again that certain spells require components. Some of them are cheap, and can be substituted, and some of them are costly, and can't. You're the one who claimed that material components are just for fluff and that component pouches and focii, while important, should not always be relied upon. I then asked you simply whether or not that happened to a PC of yours whether your response would be "It's fluff" or not. Since you know, you claimed it was... ...Where did I ever state that I defaulted to no component pouches or focii? All I've stated is that the default assumption of the game is use of material components. That means for non-expensive items you a) Use the components that you gather yourself b) Use a spell focus c) use a component pouch. You're the one stating that components don't matter, when they do. You're the one stating they're just for fluff, when they aren't. I'm stating they are important, and you shouldn't assume you will always have a component pouch or spell focus handy for them. That would be an interesting way to play it. I might have to see if the players in my game want that level of verisimilitude or not. Of course, most of them use spell focuses in the first place precisely because it's easier to hold onto them (spell component pouches do look like coin purses after all, and they travel in areas that aren't... well let's say very respectful of another persons personal belongings). [/QUOTE]
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