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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8891172" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>Thunder Gauntlets forcing your target to have disadvantage only applies on a hit. 2 attacks greatly increases your chances of causing that effect.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's also not like the Armorer 5 can't use his level 1 slots for something else. So it's actually quite a bit more complex of a comparison than you propose.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I love +4 saves from war mage, but at the end of the day I'm seeing a very reaction dependent PC. Shield, Absorb Elements, Silvery Barbs, OA's, Flash of Genius. These are all mutually exclusive options. </p><p></p><p>Any elemental damage saves you likely already have a better option in absorb elements. Flash of Genius can have the same effect once you are sufficiently leveled in artificer (just 2 levels later than the warmage).</p><p></p><p></p><p>I find having 2-3 casters that can use effective control spells in conjunction with each other is really strong.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've always felt going from 2 to 3 infusions was a big deal, even if it just meant giving an ally a magic weapon with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps a suggestion then. What if you just dipped 1 level of wizard at character level 4. That sets you up for booming blade, shield, familiar and silvery barbs (along with a few more rituals). You only delay extra attack and level 2 artificer spells by 1 level - which isn't that bad because booming blade. This puts you to level 6. I'd suggest staying artificer because while war wizard would be a bit better for level 7, flash of genius is clearly better by character level 8 (ability to target anyone for a save bonus vs just yourself). After this point I think that's when you should make your war mage decision. If you feel you are running out of reaction abilities then perhaps warmage helps by giving you an at will one, if not then stay artificer and your 'level 10 capstone' will be level 3 spells and the armorer's ability to treat his suit as separate magic items for infusions.</p><p></p><p>Thoughts?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8891172, member: 6795602"] Thunder Gauntlets forcing your target to have disadvantage only applies on a hit. 2 attacks greatly increases your chances of causing that effect. It's also not like the Armorer 5 can't use his level 1 slots for something else. So it's actually quite a bit more complex of a comparison than you propose. I love +4 saves from war mage, but at the end of the day I'm seeing a very reaction dependent PC. Shield, Absorb Elements, Silvery Barbs, OA's, Flash of Genius. These are all mutually exclusive options. Any elemental damage saves you likely already have a better option in absorb elements. Flash of Genius can have the same effect once you are sufficiently leveled in artificer (just 2 levels later than the warmage). I find having 2-3 casters that can use effective control spells in conjunction with each other is really strong. I've always felt going from 2 to 3 infusions was a big deal, even if it just meant giving an ally a magic weapon with it. Perhaps a suggestion then. What if you just dipped 1 level of wizard at character level 4. That sets you up for booming blade, shield, familiar and silvery barbs (along with a few more rituals). You only delay extra attack and level 2 artificer spells by 1 level - which isn't that bad because booming blade. This puts you to level 6. I'd suggest staying artificer because while war wizard would be a bit better for level 7, flash of genius is clearly better by character level 8 (ability to target anyone for a save bonus vs just yourself). After this point I think that's when you should make your war mage decision. If you feel you are running out of reaction abilities then perhaps warmage helps by giving you an at will one, if not then stay artificer and your 'level 10 capstone' will be level 3 spells and the armorer's ability to treat his suit as separate magic items for infusions. Thoughts? [/QUOTE]
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