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<blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7515076" data-attributes="member: 6880599"><p><strong>First, that's not what I said</strong>. TWF is the go to for a single class, Rogues who doesn't even care about the effectiveness of the fighting style they are just taking ever they can to get second chance to trigger Backstab, they don't even consider it effective as a fighting style options. <strong>I have never had a player willing to use two weapon fighting that was not a rogue since 5e</strong>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How is leveling an ability making it the best? By definition, leveling implies the TWF is below and is being raised to even. It has deficiencies that other fighting styles don't have to perform their function, which <strong>Mearls Recognized</strong> in his redesign, so lets be clear its not JUST ME saying this. I have heard it from every player at my table as GM and player and multiple other people have posted similar suggestions to mine. What I find interesting here is your not ageing for flaws or balance in my idea with any intent to improve or shape it. Your just accusing me of doing something that is AGAINST my stated goals. If your saying I missed my mark the elaborate but your attacking the concept of altering two-weapon fighting to remove a deficiency and give it a niche by saying it becomes god of all style. <strong>Which you fail to support in any meaningful way entirely</strong> even knowing its not just me saying this. Why are you coming to a thread to be completely unproductive and attack generally? If you want to argue against two-weapon fighting changes... MAKE SOME ACTUAL POINTS AND SUGGESTS. Don't just make vague pointless picks at peoples wording and idea structure. Make a point or counter a point on a suggestion a of your own.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am sorry, but do you think Two weapon fighting is a rogue feature? I like two weapon fighters and Ranger but they don't hold up in this edition but all you want to talk about it the one class that doesn't care about the fighting style for the fighting style. Your missing the point in that Rogues don't care if TWF is viable. They just want another attack. If you want to level rogues to use other fighting styles all you have to do is give them extra attack at level 5, but that is not the topic of this thread. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I believe that Two Handed weapon fighting should (and was in previous editions) be viable for more than just rogues who aren't using it for its effectiveness but just a trigger for backstab. I do believe the each fighting style should have its niche, and I believe my design does that making a one on one "dueling style" which is unique where great weapons usually do better vs low AC targets, and polearms will continue to be useful as harassment weapon with reach and polearm master for better damage and target versatility fighting multiple higher AC enemies. So what is your actual agreement here? Nothing I am saying is against this and their is no reason each fighting style can't both have a niche and a basic balance.</p><p></p><p> 5ekyu, you and me have had a lot of conversations over the last year and a half on this forum and your a usually a pretty sharp person with some good points. Not sure what's going on here but this post is leaning more to hate speech and blind venting. Are you ok? Do you need to take offline about something? If you want to through out some real feed back, of which I know you are capable... please do! I am interested in what you have to say but this is really the most hollow post I have ever seen from you and honestly makes me worried as it makes it seem like your here but distracted with IRL issues.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ClaytonCross, post: 7515076, member: 6880599"] [B]First, that's not what I said[/B]. TWF is the go to for a single class, Rogues who doesn't even care about the effectiveness of the fighting style they are just taking ever they can to get second chance to trigger Backstab, they don't even consider it effective as a fighting style options. [B]I have never had a player willing to use two weapon fighting that was not a rogue since 5e[/B]. How is leveling an ability making it the best? By definition, leveling implies the TWF is below and is being raised to even. It has deficiencies that other fighting styles don't have to perform their function, which [B]Mearls Recognized[/B] in his redesign, so lets be clear its not JUST ME saying this. I have heard it from every player at my table as GM and player and multiple other people have posted similar suggestions to mine. What I find interesting here is your not ageing for flaws or balance in my idea with any intent to improve or shape it. Your just accusing me of doing something that is AGAINST my stated goals. If your saying I missed my mark the elaborate but your attacking the concept of altering two-weapon fighting to remove a deficiency and give it a niche by saying it becomes god of all style. [B]Which you fail to support in any meaningful way entirely[/B] even knowing its not just me saying this. Why are you coming to a thread to be completely unproductive and attack generally? If you want to argue against two-weapon fighting changes... MAKE SOME ACTUAL POINTS AND SUGGESTS. Don't just make vague pointless picks at peoples wording and idea structure. Make a point or counter a point on a suggestion a of your own. I am sorry, but do you think Two weapon fighting is a rogue feature? I like two weapon fighters and Ranger but they don't hold up in this edition but all you want to talk about it the one class that doesn't care about the fighting style for the fighting style. Your missing the point in that Rogues don't care if TWF is viable. They just want another attack. If you want to level rogues to use other fighting styles all you have to do is give them extra attack at level 5, but that is not the topic of this thread. I believe that Two Handed weapon fighting should (and was in previous editions) be viable for more than just rogues who aren't using it for its effectiveness but just a trigger for backstab. I do believe the each fighting style should have its niche, and I believe my design does that making a one on one "dueling style" which is unique where great weapons usually do better vs low AC targets, and polearms will continue to be useful as harassment weapon with reach and polearm master for better damage and target versatility fighting multiple higher AC enemies. So what is your actual agreement here? Nothing I am saying is against this and their is no reason each fighting style can't both have a niche and a basic balance. 5ekyu, you and me have had a lot of conversations over the last year and a half on this forum and your a usually a pretty sharp person with some good points. Not sure what's going on here but this post is leaning more to hate speech and blind venting. Are you ok? Do you need to take offline about something? If you want to through out some real feed back, of which I know you are capable... please do! I am interested in what you have to say but this is really the most hollow post I have ever seen from you and honestly makes me worried as it makes it seem like your here but distracted with IRL issues. [/QUOTE]
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