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<blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 825829" data-attributes="member: 7211"><p><strong>Been Asleep all Day</strong></p><p></p><p>Re: "Prc designed for Base Classes"</p><p></p><p>It seems like some of you that don't like a prc designed with a class in mind are the same ones that like Archmage. I think its pretty clearly a wiz/sorc prc. How about Heirophant? Clr/Drd all the way (if they allow the druid entry with Knowledge (Nature) in place of Knowledge (Religion) or if they just give the Druid Knowledge (Religion)).</p><p></p><p>So what would be so bad with a prc that emphasized some of a class' abilities and turned off the rest?</p><p></p><p>I want a bard prc with 0 spell progression and powerful spell-like songs.</p><p></p><p>I want a bard prc with full spell progression and a stronger skill list, with the ability to gain even more spells than a normal bard, but without upper level musical abilities.</p><p></p><p>I want a paladin prc that emphasizes his mount and his smite, a cavalier of some sort.</p><p></p><p>I want a paladin prc that emphasizes spell-casting and healing, perhaps with lower BAB.</p><p></p><p>I think its pretty obvious that there are TONS of prcs designed for the cleric, the wizard (and usually thereby the sorc, but keep in mind that most of them favor the wizard), the fighter, and the rogue. I realize that those are the common archetypes, and I realize that a prc designed for those classes in mind can be entered by anyone with the appropriate prereqs.</p><p></p><p>As to someone's comment about the relative power of the Frenzied Beserker, Forsaker, Shifter, and Animal Lord: Yes they weren't necessarily perfect in their classbook incarnation, but if they were going into the DMG Im sure they would be looked at more closely, much more closely.</p><p></p><p>This is the root of the problem:</p><p></p><p>Lets say Ive got 4 pcs. </p><p></p><p>Brb5</p><p>Clr5</p><p>Rog5</p><p>Wiz5</p><p></p><p>3 of those characters can look forward to prcs in the DMG.</p><p></p><p>Or how about this?</p><p></p><p>Rgr5</p><p>Pal5</p><p>Rog3/Ftr2</p><p>Clr2/Wiz3</p><p></p><p>Looks like 2 of them can get a prc, but what about the rest? My point is that there ARE prcs designed for specifically one class, but there aren't prcs designed specifically for certain classes. As I said earlier, the fact that the base class gains a lot of "odd-abilities" doesnt preclude prcs, look at the monk.</p><p></p><p>There should be prcs that include wildshape advancement, rage (and DR) advancement, paladin mount advancement, etc.</p><p></p><p>And yeah, 1 example in the DMG would be nice.</p><p></p><p>Technik</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Technik4, post: 825829, member: 7211"] [b]Been Asleep all Day[/b] Re: "Prc designed for Base Classes" It seems like some of you that don't like a prc designed with a class in mind are the same ones that like Archmage. I think its pretty clearly a wiz/sorc prc. How about Heirophant? Clr/Drd all the way (if they allow the druid entry with Knowledge (Nature) in place of Knowledge (Religion) or if they just give the Druid Knowledge (Religion)). So what would be so bad with a prc that emphasized some of a class' abilities and turned off the rest? I want a bard prc with 0 spell progression and powerful spell-like songs. I want a bard prc with full spell progression and a stronger skill list, with the ability to gain even more spells than a normal bard, but without upper level musical abilities. I want a paladin prc that emphasizes his mount and his smite, a cavalier of some sort. I want a paladin prc that emphasizes spell-casting and healing, perhaps with lower BAB. I think its pretty obvious that there are TONS of prcs designed for the cleric, the wizard (and usually thereby the sorc, but keep in mind that most of them favor the wizard), the fighter, and the rogue. I realize that those are the common archetypes, and I realize that a prc designed for those classes in mind can be entered by anyone with the appropriate prereqs. As to someone's comment about the relative power of the Frenzied Beserker, Forsaker, Shifter, and Animal Lord: Yes they weren't necessarily perfect in their classbook incarnation, but if they were going into the DMG Im sure they would be looked at more closely, much more closely. This is the root of the problem: Lets say Ive got 4 pcs. Brb5 Clr5 Rog5 Wiz5 3 of those characters can look forward to prcs in the DMG. Or how about this? Rgr5 Pal5 Rog3/Ftr2 Clr2/Wiz3 Looks like 2 of them can get a prc, but what about the rest? My point is that there ARE prcs designed for specifically one class, but there aren't prcs designed specifically for certain classes. As I said earlier, the fact that the base class gains a lot of "odd-abilities" doesnt preclude prcs, look at the monk. There should be prcs that include wildshape advancement, rage (and DR) advancement, paladin mount advancement, etc. And yeah, 1 example in the DMG would be nice. Technik [/QUOTE]
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