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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 7497426" data-attributes="member: 20323"><p>Just for clarification, I believe you're referring to 3rd edition rules for "Aid Another." </p><p></p><p>In 5e, the Help action is automatically successful:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Furthermore, the rules clarify the requirements of helping...</p><p></p><p><strong>Working Together</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>I believe it was [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION] who was saying that Help and Working Together are fundamentally different, the first only applying in combat and the latter only applying out of combat. However, that interpretation creates dissonance on the player's side – "why is it different?" – and even the <em>language</em> in the "Working Together" paragraph mentions the word "help" multiple times. When you start getting into arguments that, well, "help" isn't "Help" with a capital H, in my opinion that's a breakdown of the rules. And, essentially, they have the same effect: providing advantage. </p><p></p><p>The only question is, does 5e not have as stringent restrictions on who can Help as it does on who can Work Together? And if it's intentional that Working Together is more stringent out-of-combat, why is it that in combat Help is less stringent?</p><p></p><p>IMO, that makes no sense, so I interpret the "Working Together" paragraph as applying equally to the "Help" action, meaning it's the DM's prerogative to say: "Well, <em>how</em> are you helping your companion? Describe it to us." or "Well, you're not trained in thieves' tool, so just <em>how</em> are you helping him pick that lock?"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 7497426, member: 20323"] Just for clarification, I believe you're referring to 3rd edition rules for "Aid Another." In 5e, the Help action is automatically successful: Furthermore, the rules clarify the requirements of helping... [B]Working Together[/B] I believe it was [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION] who was saying that Help and Working Together are fundamentally different, the first only applying in combat and the latter only applying out of combat. However, that interpretation creates dissonance on the player's side – "why is it different?" – and even the [I]language[/I] in the "Working Together" paragraph mentions the word "help" multiple times. When you start getting into arguments that, well, "help" isn't "Help" with a capital H, in my opinion that's a breakdown of the rules. And, essentially, they have the same effect: providing advantage. The only question is, does 5e not have as stringent restrictions on who can Help as it does on who can Work Together? And if it's intentional that Working Together is more stringent out-of-combat, why is it that in combat Help is less stringent? IMO, that makes no sense, so I interpret the "Working Together" paragraph as applying equally to the "Help" action, meaning it's the DM's prerogative to say: "Well, [I]how[/I] are you helping your companion? Describe it to us." or "Well, you're not trained in thieves' tool, so just [I]how[/I] are you helping him pick that lock?" [/QUOTE]
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