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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7774482" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Ok. I acknowledge you feel that way. However, I put it to you that almost all people tend to disapprove of people adopting religious viewpoints that differ with their own. And this includes atheists disapproving when people adopt religious beliefs. I'm willing to bet, we could find a point you'd disapprove of as well. (There is actually a great early season Simpson episode on this subject, with the Flanders wanting to baptize Maggie that is worth watching.)</p><p></p><p>Also, I'd assert that not disapproving of people adopting religious viewpoints differing than your own is itself a religious position, and I suspect that people with that position would disapprove of people adopting the contrary position, that some exclusive religious viewpoint is the true and correct one. In other words, if you are a moral relativist, if a loved one adopted a moral absolutist position, you'd probably disapprove.</p><p></p><p>This is not in any way an attempt to argue for religious intolerance, which I'm sure some will try to make it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ahh... OK. I'll go there.</p><p></p><p>I'm not going to go into the complex details, nor am I going to explain the position taken by my family members which is a good deal more nuanced than the take some are ascribing. It's not like any were saying in their grief, "If only he hadn't played D&D, he'd be alive today." </p><p></p><p>Instead I'm going to talk only about my take on it.</p><p></p><p>Have you seen the episode of 'Community' which focuses on the group playing D&D with someone because they fear he might be suicidal? My take on the situation is closer to that. There is a lot of complicated factors going on, but rather than seeing roleplaying as a cause or a contributing factor, I tend to see his role-playing as something he was clinging to, to try to find purpose in life. Weak thread to cling to though it might be, it was one of his life rafts, and the real problem is that a person with serious problems needs a lot more support than self-medicating with role-play and drugs. Of course, if you've actually been in this sort of situation, you know that reaching that person in need and effecting a change isn't a trivial one, and is likely to be resisted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7774482, member: 4937"] Ok. I acknowledge you feel that way. However, I put it to you that almost all people tend to disapprove of people adopting religious viewpoints that differ with their own. And this includes atheists disapproving when people adopt religious beliefs. I'm willing to bet, we could find a point you'd disapprove of as well. (There is actually a great early season Simpson episode on this subject, with the Flanders wanting to baptize Maggie that is worth watching.) Also, I'd assert that not disapproving of people adopting religious viewpoints differing than your own is itself a religious position, and I suspect that people with that position would disapprove of people adopting the contrary position, that some exclusive religious viewpoint is the true and correct one. In other words, if you are a moral relativist, if a loved one adopted a moral absolutist position, you'd probably disapprove. This is not in any way an attempt to argue for religious intolerance, which I'm sure some will try to make it. Ahh... OK. I'll go there. I'm not going to go into the complex details, nor am I going to explain the position taken by my family members which is a good deal more nuanced than the take some are ascribing. It's not like any were saying in their grief, "If only he hadn't played D&D, he'd be alive today." Instead I'm going to talk only about my take on it. Have you seen the episode of 'Community' which focuses on the group playing D&D with someone because they fear he might be suicidal? My take on the situation is closer to that. There is a lot of complicated factors going on, but rather than seeing roleplaying as a cause or a contributing factor, I tend to see his role-playing as something he was clinging to, to try to find purpose in life. Weak thread to cling to though it might be, it was one of his life rafts, and the real problem is that a person with serious problems needs a lot more support than self-medicating with role-play and drugs. Of course, if you've actually been in this sort of situation, you know that reaching that person in need and effecting a change isn't a trivial one, and is likely to be resisted. [/QUOTE]
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