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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7774681" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I think in this case its fairer to say that a small collection of bad actors lead astray the group, than it is that the group pressured her to view the situation this way. The fault lies with the group only on its willingness to be so easily led and be credible of extraordinary claims.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if I can go much further down this line, since I'd start getting really religious here and not merely mentioning it in passing. There is a point of her behavior that I would have expected other religious people to recognize as a warning sign, which sadly when it is not recognized as a warning sign invariably leads to 'Occult Scares' if not checked quickly by someone in authority. </p><p></p><p>That's about as close as I can hit the point here, but as a (different) general point more widely applicable to the board, it's very easy for groups to be led astray by in-group members, particularly when those groups have extensive acts of outward piety that act as barriers to entry and likewise act to provide assurance of sincerity of belief to other members of the in-group. Televangelists rely on this sort of thing - Jimmy Swaggart and Tammy Fae Baker for example were extremely good at summoning spontaneous tears, often taken as an essential outward sign of piety by Charismatic movements. As an even uglier example, Harvey Weinstein hid years of rape and assorted degrees of lesser sexual assault and harassment of scores of women behind an outward front of mouthing feminist pieties, to the extent that several noted feminists were protecting him and giving him awards even with full knowledge of his reputation because of his value as the public face of the movement. And this is itself hardly a new thing, but a modern twist on a very well known 'rakish' behavior that is frequently at the center Jane Austin novels - the man most skilled at flattering women and acting gracious toward them is often the one that least has their best interests at heart. Or consider the recent case of Zak S for that matter.</p><p></p><p>And, I better just stop here, because there is only so much I think the board is capable of talking about without blowing up. Point is, the individual has to be careful not to get swept up in the mob, and the group has to be careful not to let the individual turn the group toward mob behavior.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7774681, member: 4937"] I think in this case its fairer to say that a small collection of bad actors lead astray the group, than it is that the group pressured her to view the situation this way. The fault lies with the group only on its willingness to be so easily led and be credible of extraordinary claims. I don't know if I can go much further down this line, since I'd start getting really religious here and not merely mentioning it in passing. There is a point of her behavior that I would have expected other religious people to recognize as a warning sign, which sadly when it is not recognized as a warning sign invariably leads to 'Occult Scares' if not checked quickly by someone in authority. That's about as close as I can hit the point here, but as a (different) general point more widely applicable to the board, it's very easy for groups to be led astray by in-group members, particularly when those groups have extensive acts of outward piety that act as barriers to entry and likewise act to provide assurance of sincerity of belief to other members of the in-group. Televangelists rely on this sort of thing - Jimmy Swaggart and Tammy Fae Baker for example were extremely good at summoning spontaneous tears, often taken as an essential outward sign of piety by Charismatic movements. As an even uglier example, Harvey Weinstein hid years of rape and assorted degrees of lesser sexual assault and harassment of scores of women behind an outward front of mouthing feminist pieties, to the extent that several noted feminists were protecting him and giving him awards even with full knowledge of his reputation because of his value as the public face of the movement. And this is itself hardly a new thing, but a modern twist on a very well known 'rakish' behavior that is frequently at the center Jane Austin novels - the man most skilled at flattering women and acting gracious toward them is often the one that least has their best interests at heart. Or consider the recent case of Zak S for that matter. And, I better just stop here, because there is only so much I think the board is capable of talking about without blowing up. Point is, the individual has to be careful not to get swept up in the mob, and the group has to be careful not to let the individual turn the group toward mob behavior. [/QUOTE]
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